72 virgins? For real dude?

[Icarus]

Perhaps you could speak in real terms, rather than analogies.  I am honestly having trouble understanding what you mean.

Many mulsims believe Aisha was not young, therefore Aisha was not young. Age isn't a belief, you either know or don't know, you can't believe either way unless you are very dumb.

[Belial]

Perhaps you could speak in real terms, rather than analogies.  I am honestly having trouble understanding what you mean.

Many mulsims believe Aisha was not young, therefore Aisha was not young. Age isn't a belief, you either know or don't know, you can't believe either way unless you are very dumb.

Many muslims believe Aisha was not young (because of X), therefore it is possible that she was not young (depending on how you interpret X).  Age isnt a belief, but you can believe that Aisha was not young if you have reasons to believe this is the case.

[Jmpty]

Did you form this opinion based upon your in depth study of history, and the religion of Islam, or are you just parroting what you read on the internet? People who spout opinions as facts merely reveal their ignorance. I am an atheist. I believe ALL religions are wrong in their belief in a supernatural deity. I can put forth what I believe based upon the beliefs themselves, without resorting to personal attacks on the follwers of these religions, or the figures involved in their origins. Perhaps you should read more books, as it would allow you to engage in discourse without appearing a fool.

Reading too many books can be dangerous because the authors of the books are usually extremely biased. Its very unlikely that you will ever get a full unbiased historical or factual account of anything so reading heaps of books will only increase your bias. Sure you'll have a lot of facts but you can make the mistake of thinking you're an expert on something because you read a few peoples opinions on the subject. Nothing prevents the books author from lying and making up most of his book either. Read peer-reviewed scientific literature if you want to engage people in discourse. When talking about religion or parts of history in any sort of definitive way you always appear the fool.

:-k

[Icarus]

Did you form this opinion based upon your in depth study of history, and the religion of Islam, or are you just parroting what you read on the internet? People who spout opinions as facts merely reveal their ignorance. I am an atheist. I believe ALL religions are wrong in their belief in a supernatural deity. I can put forth what I believe based upon the beliefs themselves, without resorting to personal attacks on the follwers of these religions, or the figures involved in their origins. Perhaps you should read more books, as it would allow you to engage in discourse without appearing a fool.

Reading too many books can be dangerous because the authors of the books are usually extremely biased. Its very unlikely that you will ever get a full unbiased historical or factual account of anything so reading heaps of books will only increase your bias. Sure you'll have a lot of facts but you can make the mistake of thinking you're an expert on something because you read a few peoples opinions on the subject. Nothing prevents the books author from lying and making up most of his book either. Read peer-reviewed scientific literature if you want to engage people in discourse. When talking about religion or parts of history in any sort of definitive way you always appear the fool.

:-k

I don't understand the confusion, you can display incorrect facts as facts because you read them in a book thus think they are correct. You seem to think books are not allowed to be wrong.

[Icarus]

Perhaps you could speak in real terms, rather than analogies.  I am honestly having trouble understanding what you mean.

Many mulsims believe Aisha was not young, therefore Aisha was not young. Age isn't a belief, you either know or don't know, you can't believe either way unless you are very dumb.

Many muslims believe Aisha was not young (because of X), therefore it is possible that she was not young (depending on how you interpret X).  Age isnt a belief, but you can believe that Aisha was not young if you have reasons to believe this is the case.

I believe you are a penguin, therefore it is possible that you are a penguin. I believe you're a penguin because you're parroting other people and you can't fly, so you're clearly a penguin.

[aitm]

I believe you are a penguin, therefore it is possible that you are a penguin. I believe you're a penguin because you're parroting other people and you can't fly, so you're clearly a penguin.

now that there is some SERIOUS FUCKIN THINKIN... I do believe it is the best proof we have seen that Belial is a penquin

[Jmpty]

Reading too many books can be dangerous because the authors of the books are usually extremely biased. Its very unlikely that you will ever get a full unbiased historical or factual account of anything so reading heaps of books will only increase your bias. Sure you'll have a lot of facts but you can make the mistake of thinking you're an expert on something because you read a few peoples opinions on the subject. Nothing prevents the books author from lying and making up most of his book either. Read peer-reviewed scientific literature if you want to engage people in discourse. When talking about religion or parts of history in any sort of definitive way you always appear the fool.[/quote]
 :-k[/quote]

I don't understand the confusion, you can display incorrect facts as facts because you read them in a book thus think they are correct. You seem to think books are not allowed to be wrong.[/quote]


 Incorrect facts are not facts. If you choose to read Bill O'reilly's version of history, that's on you. Corroboration and credentials are key indicators to validity.

[Icarus]

Incorrect facts are not facts. If you choose to read Bill O'reilly's version of history, that's on you. Corroboration and credentials are key indicators to validity.

No but the person presenting them is presenting them as facts. Validity comes from physical evidence and interpretation of that physical evidence. The interpretation can be flawed if all the physical evidence has not been gathered, and most of it is usually lost. So again, you are left with different biased opinions trying to fill in the gaps.

[Belial]

I believe you are a penguin, therefore it is possible that you are a penguin. I believe you're a penguin because you're parroting other people and you can't fly, so you're clearly a penguin.

Ok, well, you will never be able to get an accurate response out of me if you keep speaking in analogies.

With that, I am not going to bother responding to this or further analogies, because quite frankly I dont even know what you are saying.

I do not understand the meaning, or purpose of this statement, nor do I see how it relates to 72 virgins in heaven.

[Icarus]

I believe you are a penguin, therefore it is possible that you are a penguin. I believe you're a penguin because you're parroting other people and you can't fly, so you're clearly a penguin.

Ok, well, you will never be able to get an accurate response out of me if you keep speaking in analogies.

With that, I am not going to bother responding to this or further analogies, because quite frankly I dont even know what you are saying.

I do not understand the meaning, or purpose of this statement, nor do I see how it relates to 72 virgins in heaven.

I'm using your own logic to prove you are a penguin, showing you exactly how flawed that logic is. I was not talking about the 72 virgins but the age of Aisha. If my analogies frustrate you think about how much your terrible logic frustrates anyone with an ounce of critical thinking.

[Belial]

I believe you are a penguin, therefore it is possible that you are a penguin. I believe you're a penguin because you're parroting other people and you can't fly, so you're clearly a penguin.

Ok, well, you will never be able to get an accurate response out of me if you keep speaking in analogies.

With that, I am not going to bother responding to this or further analogies, because quite frankly I dont even know what you are saying.

I do not understand the meaning, or purpose of this statement, nor do I see how it relates to 72 virgins in heaven.

I'm using your own logic to prove you are a penguin, showing you exactly how flawed that logic is. I was not talking about the 72 virgins but the age of Aisha. If my analogies frustrate you think about how much your terrible logic frustrates anyone with an ounce of critical thinking.

How are you proving that I am a penguin just because you believe it is so?

[Plu]

I was under the impression the age was listed in the Qu'ran, was it not? If it isn't in there, Belial's argument might make some sense (depending on why the two interpretations exist, of course) but if the age is in the book then opposing it gets a little flimsy.

Making your own interpretations for a book that claims to be 100% true, and then using the fact that it's 100% true to justify the rest of it, is of course rather silly on its own, but that seems a second issue.

[Icarus]

How are you proving that I am a penguin just because you believe it is so?

You said if someone believes in something that makes it possible. I believe you are a penguin and offered that fact that you parrot other people and can't fly as reasons to back up my belief. I think you may be in over your head and should probably take a step back to reevaluate how you look at information so you can start being able to distinguish between fact and human imagination.

[Belial]

I was under the impression the age was listed in the Qu'ran, was it not? If it isn't in there, Belial's argument might make some sense (depending on why the two interpretations exist, of course) but if the age is in the book then opposing it gets a little flimsy.

Making your own interpretations for a book that claims to be 100% true, and then using the fact that it's 100% true to justify the rest of it, is of course rather silly on its own, but that seems a second issue.

Well, that is something I would suggest to the original poster.  I agree though.  They are making it easy for me.

[Belial]

How are you proving that I am a penguin just because you believe it is so?

You said if someone believes in something that makes it possible. I believe you are a penguin and offered that fact that you parrot other people and can't fly as reasons to back up my belief. I think you may be in over your head and should probably take a step back to reevaluate how you look at information so you can start being able to distinguish between fact and human imagination.

Would you like to answer my question?

I asked "How are you proving that I am a penguin just because you believe it is so?".

You havent answered.

If people believe in something, to them it is possible, not to everyone. If I believed the sun was made of water, it may appear possible to me, but not to everyone.  Also, my belief doesn't make it physically and realistically a possibility that the sun is made of water.

Though, you can make a note, that I never said it did, and if I had, I apologize, I meant what I just said here, now.

If you are simply suggesting that our interpretations do not equate to reality, then I agree.

Honestly though, I still do not know what point you are trying to reach with your penguin analogies.