72 virgins? For real dude?

[Belial]

So it´s okay to think allah is a prick?

Its ok to believe in what you believe. Nobody can control your beliefs, they are yours.

[Belial]

I was often wondering about these garments worn in Saudi Arabia and other hot countries, where the males are wearing white, light cotton robes letting the breeze through, and reflect the sunlight, quite comfortable I should think.

While females wearing heavier black robes (must not be revealing) and absorb the heat of the sun more, leading to all sorts of health problems.

Blocking out the sun leads to vitamin D deprivation, excessive sweating, building up bacteria, and highly uncomfortable as well.

Allah hates women.
Well, Allah seems to hate everything living really, as it is the complete psychological makeup of it's creator, the psychopathic, mentally deranged Muhammad.

Many muslims as well, would agree with just about anyone else that Saudi Arabia has a very oppressive government.  This is another matter of some muslims believing X and others believing Y based on what they may be interpreting and how.

Even many within Saudi know theyre oppressed, but i suppose theyre in the minority.  The govt rules with an iron fist.

In the US, there are, a very large number of christians, but what you find is, people arent being jailed for wearing mixed fabrics, right.  This is because different christians view different ideas different ways within Christianity.

[Belial]

And again, just for clarity, many muslims do not believe in 72 virgins in heaven.

[sasuke]

So, it's a cafeteria style religion? Like a buffet? You just get to pick the things you like, and leave the rest?

Pretty much. Well, you choose amongst the better tasting flavor. If you have two interpretations and two understandings of what Islam is, you can freely choose amongst the options.  You cant simply not choose any flavor, then you would be a non believer.

So it´s okay to think allah is a prick?

It's not because it doesn't exist, but it's ok to think that Mohammad was a prick, because he was a child molesting warlord.

[Jmpty]

So it´s okay to think allah is a prick?[/quote]
It's not because it doesn't exist, but it's ok to think that Mohammad was a prick, because he was a child molesting warlord.[/quote]

 Is that really necessary? This has been a pretty civil discourse up until now. If that's all you have to refute Islam, you should probably study a little more.

[sasuke]

Is that really necessary?

Nothing I type here is necessary.

This has been a pretty civil discourse up until now.

It's still civil.  Mohammed was a child molesting warlord.  It's a fact.

If that's all you have to refute Islam, you should probably study a little more.

Yes, that' all I have; that the founder of the religion was a child molesting warlord.  It may not be enough for you in your world of civil discourse, but it's enough for me to refute Islam.

[Belial]

Is that really necessary?

Nothing I type here is necessary.

This has been a pretty civil discourse up until now.

It's still civil.  Mohammed was a child molesting warlord.  It's a fact.

If that's all you have to refute Islam, you should probably study a little more.

Yes, that' all I have; that the founder of the religion was a child molesting warlord.  It may not be enough for you in your world of civil discourse, but it's enough for me to refute Islam.

I would assume this "Child Molesting" comment came from the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha.

This too, you will find many muslims who believe that, Aisha was not young upon their marriage.  It is not considered fact amongst many muslims, so I cant imagine it could be considered a fact by you.

Also, thank you Jmpty, I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I'd just like to add, and I am not sure if anyone has noticed.

The original post asked about 72 virgins, and if any muslims could explain this.

I came here and posted a response stating that many muslims do not believe in the whole 72 virgin story, and yet, we see people continue to sit and ask about it or comment on it.  Also we find people who resort to changing the subject toward child molestation.

You guys are supposed to be the ones who arent changing the goal post, as you often claim the theists are the ones who do.

[Johan]

72 virgins!  Not 59 or 83.  Is 72 the ideal number of virgins a guy needs?  

72 is maximum number of virgins one can have without them being able to form a union. Trust me when I tell you that you do NOT want to mess around with union virgins.  [-X

[Belial]

I just edited the post above if anyone is interested.  I added some more comments.

[Jmpty]

Is that really necessary?

Nothing I type here is necessary.

This has been a pretty civil discourse up until now.

It's still civil.  Mohammed was a child molesting warlord.  It's a fact.

If that's all you have to refute Islam, you should probably study a little more.

Yes, that' all I have; that the founder of the religion was a child molesting warlord.  It may not be enough for you in your world of civil discourse, but it's enough for me to refute Islam.

Did you form this opinion based upon your in depth study of history, and the religion of Islam, or are you just parroting what you read on the internet? People who spout opinions as facts merely reveal their ignorance. I am an atheist. I believe ALL religions are wrong in their belief in a supernatural deity. I can put forth what I believe based upon the beliefs themselves, without resorting to personal attacks on the follwers of these religions, or the figures involved in their origins. Perhaps you should read more books, as it would allow you to engage in discourse without appearing a fool.

[Plu]

I just edited the post above if anyone is interested.  I added some more comments.

Please keep in mind not everyone here is atheist and the topic was created by a christian (hence the first few posts). Not everyone here is supposed to not move the goalposts :P

[Icarus]

I would assume this "Child Molesting" comment came from the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha.

This too, you will find many muslims who believe that, Aisha was not young upon their marriage.  It is not considered fact amongst many muslims, so I cant imagine it could be considered a fact by you.

Also, thank you Jmpty, I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I'd just like to add, and I am not sure if anyone has noticed.

The original post asked about 72 virgins, and if any muslims could explain this.

I came here and posted a response stating that many muslims do not believe in the whole 72 virgin story, and yet, we see people continue to sit and ask about it or comment on it.  Also we find people who resort to changing the subject toward child molestation.

You guys are supposed to be the ones who arent changing the goal post, as you often claim the theists are the ones who do.

I believe you're a penguin, now how many people would have to believe you're a penguin before you go back to Antarctica? You are very for peoples beliefs overriding reality so you would have to accept the conclusion that you are a penguin.

[Belial]

I would assume this "Child Molesting" comment came from the marriage between Muhammad and Aisha.

This too, you will find many muslims who believe that, Aisha was not young upon their marriage.  It is not considered fact amongst many muslims, so I cant imagine it could be considered a fact by you.

Also, thank you Jmpty, I was thinking the same thing.

Also, I'd just like to add, and I am not sure if anyone has noticed.

The original post asked about 72 virgins, and if any muslims could explain this.

I came here and posted a response stating that many muslims do not believe in the whole 72 virgin story, and yet, we see people continue to sit and ask about it or comment on it.  Also we find people who resort to changing the subject toward child molestation.

You guys are supposed to be the ones who arent changing the goal post, as you often claim the theists are the ones who do.

I believe you're a penguin, now how many people would have to believe you're a penguin before you go back to Antarctica? You are very for peoples beliefs overriding reality so you would have to accept the conclusion that you are a penguin.

Perhaps you could speak in real terms, rather than analogies.  I am honestly having trouble understanding what you mean.

A person is what they believe they are based on their understanding of themselves, and what it is they proclaim to be.  No other person can judge that.  The reality of christianity and Islam and really ideas that people share about all sorts of subjects, is that, these ideas have subjective interpretations surrounding them.

Right, so, If I took a quarter and threw it in the dirt, one person may say "or its dirty".  Another may say, "its still pretty clean".

We both have ideas about what is factually existent. One person may think that X amount of dirt isnt truly dirty, so they may disregard it and say the coin is clean.  While others may believe that the dirt is dirty, making the coin dirty.

People are capable of witnessing something, and differing on what that observation is.  

This is the case with many many things in life, including Islam.  Which is why you can have some muslims believe in 72 virgins and other muslims not.  

You as an individual choose what you are based on your understanding of you and what it is you relate to, and no other person can rightfully call you a penguin or non penguin.  Only you have the power to pass that judgement in regards to subjective matters on what you are.

[Nonsensei]

Virgins are pretty dull in bed. Not sure why having to deal with 72 of them is a reward. How about 72 professional "escorts"? I might just blow myself up for that.

[Icarus]

Did you form this opinion based upon your in depth study of history, and the religion of Islam, or are you just parroting what you read on the internet? People who spout opinions as facts merely reveal their ignorance. I am an atheist. I believe ALL religions are wrong in their belief in a supernatural deity. I can put forth what I believe based upon the beliefs themselves, without resorting to personal attacks on the follwers of these religions, or the figures involved in their origins. Perhaps you should read more books, as it would allow you to engage in discourse without appearing a fool.

Reading too many books can be dangerous because the authors of the books are usually extremely biased. Its very unlikely that you will ever get a full unbiased historical or factual account of anything so reading heaps of books will only increase your bias. Sure you'll have a lot of facts but you can make the mistake of thinking you're an expert on something because you read a few peoples opinions on the subject. Nothing prevents the books author from lying and making up most of his book either. Read peer-reviewed scientific literature if you want to engage people in discourse. When talking about religion or parts of history in any sort of definitive way you always appear the fool.