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Started by Cassia, September 12, 2025, 05:26:07 PM

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Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Nobody on October 10, 2025, 12:36:07 PMDoes Soul really expect us to read that wall of text!?
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You think he typed that shit in by hand? I doubt he even read it.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Soul

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 10, 2025, 05:19:54 PMYou would find that some atheists are better read on religion than you are. They don't hide from "dissenting", AKA "evil", information.

Are one of those atheists you?
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Soul on October 10, 2025, 06:14:07 PMAre one of those atheists you?
All of them are me. We are Legion.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Soul

Quote from: Cassia on October 10, 2025, 12:51:50 PMLOL,
Just more claims from cult members. She shouldn't have known this or that, LOL. That's the way the all-powerful, all-knowing god spreads his good news to let's say the Chinese, for example. Have an Italian women write thousands of pages of fan fiction and have things in there "she should not have known". As if the sheer volume of bullshit makes it true.

There are hundreds of other fan fiction Jesus gospels from the first three centuries. Fanciful tales of personal revelation. Only a few of them made the official good book. And even these deemed sacred conflict on the most basic claims with each other. Non-cult experts with PHD's centered on the topics key to the many early religions from that region have concluded that Jesus's preaching was all about a failed apocalypse in his generation. I could post dozens of books and videos, but we all know that doesn't work on cultists.

Ask yourself why the all-powerful, loving god created a world where animals eat each other dead or alive. God loves his burnt flesh, right? Pray to him and ask he gives bone cancer to children. You are going to say it's all about free will. Think about that a little bit more. Children and animals suffering. Millions of years of suffering and 2k years ago a human sacrifice in an illiterate desert is the answer and a couple of accounts of magic tricks is the only proof.

I see that you didn't refute the proof I presented in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin, nor cite anyone else who claims to have refuted them. Thank you for the discussion.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

The idea of a supernatural is absurd, so you're lunatic ramblings are just that.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Gawdzilla Sama

BTW, we don't have to prove those scribblings are wrong, you have to prove they are right. Wrong is the default position when talking about supernatural bullshit.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Cassia

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 01:56:05 AMI see that you didn't refute the proof I presented in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin, nor cite anyone else who claims to have refuted them. Thank you for the discussion.
You only presented claims of cultists without proof. If you write thousands of pages of fiction some things will seem true just by chance and coincidence. A broken clock is correct twice a day. And then cultists draw conclusions, connect the dots like they always do. Maria mentions a 1st century screwdriver: "Oh no, she meant a narrow chisel".  Look, if your god cares about his Chinese children not burning in a lake of fire, why does he send angels to tell Maria Jesus stories in Italian.

Your church once dug up a dead, decayed pope, dressed him in robes and put him on trial.  My guess is that you suffer from a lack of faith. That's why you are here testing your "proof". Well, it's pathetic. Just eat it up, enjoy your immortality and Santa Claus. Fortunately, most of you don't really believe it, you are afraid of death unlike Jihadists. It just makes it easier for you to live in a fantasy.

Nobody

#67
Only those with weak faith feel threatened by those with no faith.

Soul

Quote from: Cassia on October 11, 2025, 08:06:22 AMYou only presented claims of cultists without proof.

You haven't shown that to be the case though.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Cassia

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 09:23:21 AMYou haven't shown that to be the case though.
I don't go around disproving aliens, flat earth or gnomes either. Instead of Maria, why not look for proof that Yahweh was a 2nd string Canaanite deity that became conflated with head god El (as in Isra-El). You will find much more concrete evidence for that.

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 09:23:21 AMYou haven't shown that to be the case though.
The burden of proof is on you.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Soul

#71
Quote from: Cassia on October 11, 2025, 09:32:01 AMI don't go around disproving aliens, flat earth or gnomes either.

You asked for proof of God's existence, and if you were sincere in asking, then see the chapters on proof in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work. If God doesn't exist as you assert, then it should be easy for you to refute the findings of the studies conducted on her writings, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others. If you can't, hopefully you can humbly admit that.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Soul

#72
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 09:34:17 AMThe burden of proof is on you.

As for you, firstly, for your knowledge, the burden of proof lies on anyone making an assertion: "the obligation to prove one's assertion". Secondly, you're insincere in asking for proof of God's existence, because I handed you the same proof I gave to Cassia, on a silver platter, and you refused to even look at it. See below.

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 09, 2025, 09:48:40 AMYou have no idea how fast I had to scroll to avoid the stink of the pathological need for your imaginary friend to be real.

Thank you for demonstrating willful ignorance, and serving as an example for how one shouldn't be. Willful ignorance isn't just about lacking information—it's about choosing not to know. People often ignore facts to avoid discomfort, responsibility, or having to change their behavior. This mindset is frustrating because it blocks progress and spreads misinformation.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 10:46:43 AMAs for you, firstly, for your knowledge, the burden of proof lies on anyone making an assertion: "the obligation to prove one's assertion".
Was your dictionary made by DC or Marvel? Do you need help with words over four letters? Did you parents have any children that lived?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 10:46:43 AMAs for you, firstly, for your knowledge, the burden of proof lies on anyone making an assertion: "the obligation to prove one's assertion".
And you made the first assertion, that God exists. Fucking idiot much?
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers