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Started by Cassia, September 12, 2025, 05:26:07 PM

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Soul

#75
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 12:03:32 PMWas your dictionary made by DC or Marvel? Do you need help with words over four letters? Did you parents have any children that lived?

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 12:42:13 PMAnd you made the first assertion, that God exists. Fucking idiot much?

Again, the definition of "burden of proof" is "the obligation to prove one's assertion". Then, there's its definition from Merriam Webster: "the duty of proving a disputed assertion or charge". Notice neither say anything about asserting first.

I assert God exists. I handed you proof for this on a silver platter, and you refused to even look at it. See below.

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 09, 2025, 09:48:40 AMYou have no idea how fast I had to scroll to avoid the stink of the pathological need for your imaginary friend to be real.

Thank you for demonstrating willful ignorance, and serving as an example for how one shouldn't be. Willful ignorance isn't just about lacking information—it's about choosing not to know. People often ignore facts to avoid discomfort, responsibility, or having to change their behavior. This mindset is frustrating because it blocks progress and spreads misinformation.

If God doesn't exist as you assert, why do you refuse to review the proof I gave? Rather shouldn't it be easy for you to refute the findings of the studies conducted on Maria Valtorta's writings found in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others? If not, hopefully you can humbly admit that.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

Yet again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine your view of the screen is blocked by your navel.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Soul

Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 02:30:21 PMYet again you prove that you have no idea what you're talking about. I imagine your view of the screen is blocked by your navel.

No, rather, yet again, you resort to ad hominem attacks when you can't refute an argument.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

You have NO ARGUMENT, you have masturbatory fantasies. You are the archetypical jerkoff. You should pray parrot won't be on the menu any time soon.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Soul

#79
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 04:11:56 PMYou have NO ARGUMENT, you have masturbatory fantasies. You are the archetypical jerkoff. You should pray parrot won't be on the menu any time soon.

You've publicly refused to review and/or address my arguments in order to lie and say that I have no arguments, thereby demonstrating willful ignorance and dishonesty. Other times, you resorted to ad hominem attacks whenever you couldn't refute an argument given.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 04:18:40 PMYou publicly refused to address my arguments in order to lie and say that I have no arguments, as well as remain willfully ignorant.
Your entertainment value has zeroed. I'll leave some  peanuts at the bottom of your cage. Sayonara.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

SoldierofFortune

Love and fear do not always contradict. God is a father figure. You love your father, and fear him at the same time. You love because he rewards, you fear because he punishes, not always at his fancy. He may have reasons above our comprehension, you know.

Soul

Quote from: Cassia on October 11, 2025, 09:32:01 AMI don't go around disproving aliens, flat earth or gnomes either.

You asked for proof of God's existence, and if you were sincere in asking, then see the chapters on proof in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work. If God doesn't exist as you assert, then it should be easy for you to refute the findings of the studies conducted on her writings, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others. Or, do you  refuse to do so?
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Gawdzilla Sama

Your "proof" only meets religious standards, not reality. Fucked up again, you did.
We 'new atheists' have a reputation for being militant, but make no mistake  we didn't start this war. If you want to place blame put it on the the religious zealots who have been poisoning the minds of the  young for a long long time."
PZ Myers

Cassia

Proof and real evidence of ANYTHING "supernatural" would be the biggest scientific discovery in the history of mankind. And it's right there in Maria's writings. Such a shame.

Cassia

Quote from: SoldierofFortune on October 11, 2025, 05:18:00 PMLove and fear do not always contradict. God is a father figure. You love your father, and fear him at the same time. You love because he rewards, you fear because he punishes, not always at his fancy. He may have reasons above our comprehension, you know.
My father would send me to my room. This guy floods a planet and kills everyone (and all animal and plant life) except for Noah and his family. And if you don't believe in the holy spirit, it's the eternal lake of fire you.

Revelation 21:8: "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death".

Cassia

#86
Quote from: Soul on October 11, 2025, 06:21:56 PMYou asked for proof of God's existence, and if you were sincere in asking, then see the chapters on proof in support of Maria Valtorta's writings having a supernatural origin in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work. If God doesn't exist as you assert, then it should be easy for you to refute the findings of the studies conducted on her writings, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others. Or, do you  refuse to do so?

Well, that took me 3 minutes. Jesus had a bar mitzvah did he? About 500 years too early. Jesus and Mary are fair-haired, blue-eyed, alabaster-skinned? Really.  The followers of Jesus are already called "Christians" before the founding of the church. Jesus Fucking Christ dude. The Church didn't want to be embarrassed by that bullshit

Soul

#87
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on October 11, 2025, 06:23:23 PMYour "proof" only meets religious standards, not reality. Fucked up again, you did.

Another baseless assertion. Where's your conviction? If someone presented to me proof that God doesn't exist, and I wholeheartedly believe otherwise, which I do, I would review and attempt to refute it. You, on the other hand, assert that God doesn't exist, but refuse to even look at the proof I presented in support of the existence of God. If you're so confident in your position, then it should be easy for you to refute the findings of the studies conducted on Maria Valtorta's writings found in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others. You should want to jump at the opportunity to do so.
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Soul

Quote from: Cassia on October 11, 2025, 07:19:36 PMWell, that took me 3 minutes. Jesus had a bar mitzvah did he? About 500 years too early. Jesus and Mary are fair-haired, blue-eyed, alabaster-skinned? Really.  The followers of Jesus are already called "Christians" before the founding of the church. Jesus Fucking Christ dude. The Church didn't want to be embarrassed by that bullshit

Took you 3 min to do what? Refute?? Where or how in that post did you refute the findings of the studies conducted on Maria Valtorta's writings found in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta's Extraordinary Work, such as the ones by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, Prof. Leo A. Brodeur, M.A., Lèsl., Ph.D., H.Sc.D., historian Jean Aulagnier, and others?
"The eye of the soul is the will." — Jesus

Cassia

So I also took the time to see what the mentioned Emilio Matricciani and Liberato De Caro had to say. They didn't even evaluate her claims. They just used mathematical and statistical tools developed for specifically studying deep linguistic aspects of literary texts. And their big conclusion is that she was a talented writer. Proof of God, huh?



In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented "writing tool"? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.


Guess I am done with freaky Maria. She was an antisemite too. Well for 1930's fascist Italy that is no surprise.

As for the god of Abraham and Moses, what can one say? I would much prefer a god who wasn't such a dick. Of course, an all-powerful, all knowing god would know what it takes to make each person believe if that is so damn important. Even us smart ones.