QUESTIONS WHITE MEN HAVE FOR SJWs!

[aitm]

I am not going to read all the previous posts, just going to jump head first in. I am saddened that I'm so many cultures that women and men, but mostly women are so indoctrinated that they will kill their daughters simply because they are not males. And women will kill their daughter-in-laws because they cannot produce a male child. Truly…..truly sad.

[marom1963]

I've seen some pretty dickish behavior over the years. If men spoke to men and commented the way they did, there would be fistfights. Catcalling and so forth is bullying to me. Everybody has the right to be treated with respect. I got drunk once years ago and said something I thought was complimentary towards a guys' girl friend and it almost turned into a fight.

The assache I have with SJW's is taking issues and blowing them up to the point that discussion is no longer possible. I would like to have a chat with Wanda Sykes about the word gay, for example. It had a whole lot of other meanings before the homosexual community coopted it and redefined it.

Gaily bedight
a gallant knight
in sunshine and in shadow

Gaily means colorfully in that context. I daresay romantic poetry would need a rewrite in this day and age.

The meaning of words is always changing, evolving. You would not understand a speaker of English from 1200 years ago nor he you -  a word here and there is all. Even 500 years ago, you'd get in a lot of trouble w/misunderstandings. A nunnery, for instance, was a whorehouse, not a convent.

[drunkenshoe]

What women do to men at most times ignored until men do it to women -or the other way around or what they do by themselves in this context in different conditions- is a part of the social contract based on traditional, religious gender roles.

The main problem starts when a person -for any reason; be it age, lack of experience, lack of perspective, anger, frustration, social media conditioning- see themselves or the society they live in exist out of that social contract. Nobody or no society is out of that contract in human culture. Defacto statement.

[The idea that catcalling, verbal abuse is something about the new generation is ridiculous, because probably it is the oldest, most ancient interaction between all of the genders. But modern life enabled more interactions less inhibted relations between genders and yes that could affect the picture. But thinking millennials have a special place in this straight stupid. The only problem with millennials that they are social media kids and they adapt a lot of problems and vcitimhoods they don't live through in real life. And gender issues is a just a part of this.]

The problem is that social contract 'enables' one gender to act in a certain way over the other because of the identity it gives to him. We arrive to the main point. Male gender in general, specifically the heterosexual is defined as the one being the 'doer' of things; from being the main perpetrator to the main successor. for so LONG A TIME human civilisation solely depended on survival of women and children and that is provided by males. Line of defense. Disposability of male gender. Because he is a bigger stronger animal.

And that anthroplogical principle entitled the man; who is a father and a soldier; the defender, written and unwritten rights to act in many ways. This is why it counts when he does CERTAIN things and when women don't, but in exchange of this; why CERTAIN things women do count in a different way. It's a hierarchy moving both ways with many tangled webs. Most obvious, like the social acceptance of men being more likley to cheat and less ignored by the society in their unfaithfullness because they are men, but for women there is ALWAYS higher price to pay. Also most women are more patriarchal than men. (You'd watch many of them oppressing their own gender very often according to this social contract. ) Another example, a man is expected to take care of the woman and a woman wouldn't get flak if she didn't work and stay at home even without children. But a man would pay a social price if he does that or he chooses to be a stay home dad. He wouldn't get respected by most men or women even not said out loud.

Yes, things have changed. We evolved as species and in a few regions on the planet it is almost impossible to observe this directly. But the social contract stands.

This conviction -mostly carried by young people- that modern life is now out of this bullshit is delusional. First of all because discussion is about the ideals. What should or should not be/happen while real life is completely different than that when it comes to relationship in real life. Because heterosexual men and women have many different dynamics and a motivations between each other. For example a young man who has certain conscious ideas about gender issues can easily act as a white knight or let a young woman 'walk over' him even unconscioulsy in certain situations. No, I don't mean sex. And young women would fall in to the same situation too.

This is a fight of modification of behaviour and desire of ideals of a couple of hundreds years VS to millions of years of survival instincts. There is NO winning. Invalid expectation. There is only getting conscious about things without getting buried into 'But I haven't seen this happening or I would never do such a thing' or 'I don't believe blah blah is happening'.

[Mermaid]

Women prone towards violence or being a bitch as they say because of penis envy, or because of sexual abuse.

What?

[Atheon]

The idea that catcalling, verbal abuse is something about the new generation is ridiculous, because probably it is the oldest, most ancient interaction between all of the genders.

My question: has catcalling ever worked? I mean, has any man been successful at attracting a woman by whistling at her, making lewd gestures, and shouting lewd things at her?

I've never done so to a woman. It's rude and obnoxious at its best.

[Mermaid]

My question: has catcalling ever worked? I mean, has any man been successful at attracting a woman by whistling at her, making lewd gestures, and shouting lewd things at her?

I've never done so to a woman. It's rude and obnoxious at its best.

I doubt it. It's certainly never worked for me. What? You like my sexy ass? Tell me more, and then take me roughly, you MAGNIFICENT STALLION.

[marom1963]

I doubt it. It's certainly never worked for me. What? You like my sexy ass? Tell me more, and then take me roughly, you MAGNIFICENT STALLION.

No - the idea behind the catcalling is proof of fraternity - proof to other men that one is a redblooded man who appreciates women, that one isn't queer. It has nothing to do w/actually getting women. To get women, men become all soft and "romantic" - flowers and candy and other bullshit and lies.

[Mermaid]

No - the idea behind the catcalling is proof of fraternity - proof to other men that one is a redblooded man who appreciates women, that one isn't queer. It has nothing to do w/actually getting women. To get women, men become all soft and "romantic" - flowers and candy and other bullshit and lies.

This is why I was single into my 40s. Holy shit!

[Shiranu]

To get women, men become all soft and "romantic" - flowers and candy and other bullshit and lies.

What I've learned in this thread - it's time to turn in my man card. That shit is fun, yo...

[aitm]

My best "method" was to say very….. very ….little.

[drunkenshoe]

My question: has catcalling ever worked? I mean, has any man been successful at attracting a woman by whistling at her, making lewd gestures, and shouting lewd things at her?

I've never done so to a woman. It's rude and obnoxious at its best.

I don't think demonstrating such behaviour is about thinking that it will work. It's something else.

When catcalls are done, there isn't just the woman. Usually there is an audience of males. In my opinion, this is often a demonstration mostly for other males.

[PickelledEggs]

What?

Yeah... What are you talking about, Drac?

[PickelledEggs]

No - the idea behind the catcalling is proof of fraternity - proof to other men that one is a redblooded man who appreciates women, that one isn't queer. It has nothing to do w/actually getting women.

I didn't think of it like that. Good point. Yeah. I've never seen it work or heard of it working either. Every time I hear of how people met if they met in real life and not through the internet, including my own stories, one person walked up to the other and introduced themselves. or something like that. Never heard of someone shouting from across the room/street a compliment and it actually working.

[PickelledEggs]

My best "method" was to say very….. very ….little.

Speak softly and carry a big stick, amiright? wait. waht?

[PickelledEggs]

When catcalls are done, there isn't just the woman. Usually there is an audience of males. In my opinion, this is often a demonstration mostly for other males.

Yeah. That's what @marom1963 just said. It's a good point. Probably a kneejerk thing to display male dominance among other males.

Although. I should add a disclaimer that I am in no way a psychologist