The PC answer is that race doesn't exist, which may true scientifically, but in reality it's not.
It's my belief that some races are superior to others. Some races also have larger brains. So what's wrong with racial superiority as long as you're nice about it?
It's my belief that your brain is too small to guess that this title has been posted here with the same OP for many times by others before you. And it has always been just trolling for attention but nothing else. But I promise I'll be nice about it.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
The PC answer is that race doesn't exist, which may true scientifically, but in reality it's not.
It's my belief that some races are superior to others. Some races also have larger brains. So what's wrong with racial superiority as long as you're nice about it?
I don't know your race but would you be willing to accept your race as objectively inferior?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 20, 2016, 05:45:03 AM
It's my belief that your brain is too small to guess that this title has been posted here with the same OP for many times by others before you. And it has always been just trolling for attention but nothing else. But I promise I'll be nice about it.
I'm not trolling.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 20, 2016, 06:07:32 AM
I don't know your race but would you be willing to accept your race as objectively inferior?
No, because that would contradict reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
As an American of Japanese descent, I consistently performed better than my white counterparts in school, and with only a fraction of the effort.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
No, because that would contradict reality.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
As an American of Japanese descent, I consistently performed better than my white counterparts in school, and with only a fraction of the effort.
But you are misattributing. I also consistently performed better as a youth, and I am not of Japanese descent. Though my ex and I once were honorary Japanese-Americans (she managed a Japanese-American retirement community). Would it help if I slept overnight at a Holiday Inn Express? (American advertisement):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQWUC7govNE
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
The PC answer is that race doesn't exist, which may true scientifically, but in reality it's not.
It's my belief that some races are superior to others. Some races also have larger brains. So what's wrong with racial superiority as long as you're nice about it?
For that to be true the members of that "race" would have to be consistently "better" than the rest of humanity. Not some, ALL. As this is patently untrue you're premise is rejected.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
It's my belief that some races are superior to others.
Your opinion is not supported by actual research. What a pisser!
This needs some clarity .. not least because I really like you (The Atheist) and I accept that you aren't trolling this time ;-)
Racism = the systematic, society or state supported suppression of people or minorities based on irrelevant considerations such as skin color
Bigotry = the non-systematic, individual or non-state supported dislike of people or minorities based on irrelevant considerations such as skin color
So The Atheist ... unless you are a major player in your society who determines social trends (see Joseph Goebbels) or determines who to oppress or exterminate (see Adolph Hitler), as part of a political or corporate organization ... then you aren't a racist ... you are "le petit bigot". You might be a bit chauvinist and egocentric also.
Individuals, on one one scale or another, objective testing or anecdotal, can do better than another individual, at any given point in time. They can also be compared against themselves at different times, even multiple recent SAT trial-tests before taking the official SAT test. IQ is one example of such testing, that attempts (in modern versions) to screen out cultural elements in a search for the universal. The earlier tests like the one given to US draftees during WW I (the first big statistical test in America) had cultural content, that people 100 years later would flunk. In fact if you look at a college entrance exam for Cornell University, circa 1890s ... most modern students would not be allowed to matriculate. One can argue how fair or objective a particular test is ... but it remains real that a person taking the test at different times or two different people taking the same test, will score differently.
Now given this "data" ... one can do statistics on it. One can determine the mean or the standard deviation for example. When I took my elementary school entry testing almost 45 years ago, I scored at genius level. But I had to wear glasses for the first couple years, and I stammered until I was much older. Other than an interest in competently pronouncing the names of dinosaurs, I showed no particular super-powers. But I did have a good memory that wasn't coached, it simply was there, and I was able to skate thru school with A's and B's for almost 12 years. Then I went to a competitive technical college, and encountered other smart people, many of whom were smarter than I was, and my prior advantage turned into a handicap. I barely graduated undergraduate college with a C average. So was I smart in public school or dumb in college? The competition was different. A literate person, in a village of illiterates, might be the same skin color and ethnicity, but will appear to be a genius. There may be factors that contribute to this, but attribution to skin color etc is not scientific. It is still unclear where extreme ability comes from, or even average ability.
I'm another sort of Asian. I score higher than my peers in IQ tests, because I recieved classical Western education in English and all those tests are designed for people like me, not because of my race or my 'superior' intelligence. If I took the test in my mother language, if I had received a traditional turkish education I would hit a low score. Because it is an application of measuring Western culture; tradition and its education. And I grew up in an assimilated, westernised country, I can't imagine what that shit would mean to an African or an Eskimo. Or an Aborgine.
Yeah IQ testing. 'The science' of 'quantifying' 'intelligence' by using 'standardised' tests designed to the 'merit' of a specific culture and language. And the success in school definning 'superior' intelligence. *Insert sarcastic laughter here.
:arrow: Anyone who has the basic intelligence to understand the nature of IQ tests, their cultural background and how intelligence is developed to be defined in political environment; the industry runs around it; or just the meaning of 'quantifiying intelligence' based on this information has the required intellect to accomplish anything they desire in life under 'normal' circumstances.
People who think they are 'superior' because of their 'race' or IQ score...not so much. You are presenting the oldest, most original definition of stupidity in the book. Entitlement. It's also a fundamentally 'religious' view for someone who calls himself 'The Atheist'. Your success is irrelevant.
:question: Tell me 'The Atheist', how much of your self proclaimed 'superiority' is based on the fantasy of 'sociopath genius' characters of the hit TV shows of the last decade and how much of is it getting high scores in school math in a culture trying to self confirm with celebrating mediocrity?
The Bell Curve is a good example of statistical abuse. It is biased, to separate two groups of testees in a non-blind manner. But lets assume that two sets of testees are formed in an unbiased manner. Looking at their test scores, each group will have a mean and a standard deviation. If the pool of testees is taken from a large enough and uniform enough population ... then the larger the two groups are, the more likely that their mean and standard deviation will be close to each other. The less uniform or the smaller the sample size, the more likely that the mean and standard deviation will differ. This is how industrial quality control works (and it works because we aren't comparing apples to oranges, but screws of the same part number with each other). So even if the testee selection is unbiased (blind) ... then on chance, we could have one group have a lower mean or wider standard deviation, that violates our expectation ... say if we are doing tryouts for college football. On chance, one group might have more shorter, lighter and weaker wannabes, and the other group might have more taller, heavier and stronger wannabes. Obviously the second group will score higher as potential All-Americans. If we biased the selection, so that the first group was mostly Asian guys and the second group was mostly African guys ... then we can conclude that since Asian guys are usually shorter, lighter and weaker ... that they are less likely to produce an All-American. And vice-versa with the African guys. Does that mean that there can never be an Asian All-American? No, there are always three-sigma examples (like that really tall basketball player from China) that will exceed your expectations based on mean and standard deviation. So are Asian guys racially inferior on average to African guys in American football? Yes they are ... except the wrong question is being asked. If you happen to see a really tall, heavy and strong Asian guy at tryouts ... you should give him a try.
For many reasons, not understood, the average Jewish-American scores higher than the (much more diverse) average Gentile-American. Does this mean that all American leadership positions should go to Jewish-Americans? Probably not, since the average person, of any ethnicity, is pretty stupid. You really need anyone with three-sigma deviation to the up-side. Of course, for various reasons, Plato's Republic never happens.
Supposedly several reasons why the average Asian-American over-achieves academically ... is because many of them are the children of immigrants ... who typically put extreme pressure on their children to succeed. Also there is the long-tail influence of Confucian values, which are pro-education. But neither of these have to do with genetics, they have to do with culture.
My mother regrets I couldn't be raised like a Hasidic child (she would be a Asian tiger mother if she could)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAMz8_MoqrM
So are Orthodox Jews racially superior in Klezmer music? Enjoy culture, but don't get hung up on it.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
It's my belief that some races are superior to others. Some races also have larger brains. So what's wrong with racial superiority as long as you're nice about it?
Superiority is relative.
Are there subtle, biological differences between races? Of course. West Africans have more fast twitch muscle fibers in their legs and as a result, they make superior sprinters. Andeans and Tibetans have spent enough generations living at high altitudes to have significant, biological differences in oxygen economy, and as a result, they make superior mountaineers. Generations of high fat diets and perpetual cold made the Inuit shorter of stature and changed blow flow patterns which would make them certainly inferior in Death Valley but unmatched in superiority in extreme cold environments.
That's the beauty of evolution. To say that someone is superior is simply a matter of preference on the part of the speaker, because nature shakes that shit out in the end through survival of the fittest, and even then, "fittest" is still a relative term.
For example, modern society may think the Inuit inferior because they don't live up to Western ideals of beauty or society since they have dark skin, are short, and generally chubby, but if a cataclysmic event sent out planet into the next ice age, they'd no doubt be the ones having the last laugh.
As long as you continue to accept the idea of different races, then you will be easy to convince that there is significance in intelligence. There is but one race, with many ethnicities.
Big shock that someone of Japanese descent would think themselves superior. That thinking worked out great for Japan on August 6, 1945 and there happens to be a neighbor of Japan who would like to slap down that Japanese arrogance and send you all right back to the sun where the emperor came from .. metaphorically speaking of course.
I have nothing against Japan, but you're not superior to anyone as a race and it could be argued that the arrogance makes you inferior.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
So what's wrong with racial superiority as long as you're nice about it?
Because being nice doesn't mean you're not still an asshole. It also doesn't mean you're not still wrong. Observe:
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 08:31:30 AM
As an American of Japanese descent, I consistently performed better than my white counterparts in school, and with only a fraction of the effort.
1. YOU consistently performed better. That makes a dataset with only one data point. Why don't you put your giant brain to work there Hop Sing and tell us all how reliable a study becomes when it has only one data point. IOW, you're saying that because you performed better, therefore your entire race, every last of them, would also perform better. What is the margin of error when you have only data point? And what negative control does your study employ?
2. How the fuck do you know how much effort everyone else in your class put in? Were with each and every one of them 24 hours per day?
Your post does prove one thing that I've believed for quite some time now. Even incredibly smart people can still say incredibly stupid things now and then.
Apparently there is Master race, and here is the proof:
Quran 3:110
Yusuf Ali: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
The Japanese also love to kill themselves and consistently rank in the shit tier of happiness. Yeah, Japanese master race, wooooo....
Also, didn't you say in a previous thread your Japaneseness wasn't a big deal? Hmm...
Quote from: pr126 on March 20, 2016, 11:55:28 AM
Apparently there is Master race, and here is the proof:
Quran 3:110
Yusuf Ali: Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind, enjoining what is right, forbidding what is wrong, and believing in Allah. If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors.
Jesus Christ... We could be discussing earth tectonics or the super bowl and you would find some way to turn it into "omg Muslims ahhhhhhhh...", wouldn't you?
First thing that comes up when you type 'Master Race' into Google.
QuoteThe master race (German: die Herrenrasse, das Herrenvolk (help. · info)) was a concept in Nazi ideology in which the Nordic raceâ€"a branch of what in late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century taxonomy was called the Aryan raceâ€"represented an ideal and pure race.
And this:
(https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/aryan-master-race.jpg)
Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2016, 11:57:25 AM
Jesus Christ... We could be discussing earth tectonics or the super bowl and you would find some way to turn it into "omg Muslims ahhhhhhhh...", wouldn't you?
No segue too difficult. No soapbox too high.
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 20, 2016, 11:20:58 AM
Big shock that someone of Japanese descent would think themselves superior. That thinking worked out great for Japan on August 6, 1945 and there happens to be a neighbor of Japan who would like to slap down that Japanese arrogance and send you all right back to the sun where the emperor came from .. metaphorically speaking of course.
I have nothing against Japan, but you're not superior to anyone as a race and it could be argued that the arrogance makes you inferior.
But the Japanese were merely trying to be European, like the Germans ;-(
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM
The PC answer is that race doesn't exist, which may true scientifically, but in reality it's not.
I've gotta say I find this idea that scientific truth can be brushed aside for personal ideology really fascinating.
"You know, scientists say that the solar system has only 8 planets, which may be true scientifically, but you know, the reality is that there are 13."
I already know you're trolling as best as you can, but damn, do you even listen to yourself?
I think that certain groups have physical traits that are measurably different than others, and I think you could probably apply that to behavior as well. Saying that, I thinks it would be extremely difficult to differentiate between nature and nurture as the cause of those behavioral differences. Also, I think differences in members within the same ethnic group are probably greater that the differences between groups.
The Atheist - You say you perform better at school and seem to attribute that to your Japanese heritage. OK, is that the way you were raised or do you think it's Japanese DNA? Assuming it's the latter and we give you that, how does it stack up with your other traits such as athletic prowess, artistic expression, group dynamics, individual creativity, success with the ladies and so on? How do you measure "better" when you take everything into consideration?
I'm a relatively big guy of primarily Northern European descent with just a touch of Middle Eastern and Indian (South Asia) DNA to spice things up. I have brown hair, brown eyes, and olive skin. I performed better than my peers in school and in the military. I served in Spec Ops units with other exceptional soldiers, who happened to be from every ethnic group you can think of, some of them 1st generation immigrants. Once we worked as a tight knit team for a while we all started performing and behaving much the same and our ethnic differences became unimportant. We could be assholes at times, but our in-group was our unit, and the out-group was everyone else. It didn't have a damn thing to do with DNA.
I define racism as an unfounded belief that an individual just because of being race x must be y. Reporting on actual racial differences or correlations between race and another variable is not racism to me. And racial differences are actually shown to exist by science, what you meant probably is that racial subgroup have not being defined in the taxonomy of the homosapiens. But the process of the creation of the racial differences is well known it's basically the 70k-120k years of isolated human populations breeding in differents continents post early human migrations and pre invention of intercontinental travel and regular migration. This racial differences currently exist in a very smooth continuum so classifying the groups is subject of great debate.
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Or maybe you're just a troll who thinks he's found a niche as a resident pot-stirrer?
No rational person believes what you just said. You're just being a dick.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Lolwut.
Edit: As long as whites get to be pornstars as well, I'm game.
Edit Edit: I take it Latinos will be all the manual labour?
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f you are of two or more races? Wut do?Edit Edit Edit Edit: Do Middle Easterners count as Asian?Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: What generation's interpretation of race are we using?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: Are Irish people white, since 60 years ago they weren't?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: I am part Italian, does that mean I can be a cook?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: My glove doesn't fit.
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: Will people be forced to breed with people of their own race?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: White is too vague.
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Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: What jobs will Native Americans have?Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: Will Inuits be considered Native America?Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: I don't think there are enough races to do the important jobs?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Maybe?
Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2016, 05:06:19 PM
Lolwut.
Edit: As long as whites get to be pornstars as well, I'm game.
Edit Edit: I take it Latinos will be all the manual labour?
Edit Edit Edit: Also, what if you are of two or more races? Wut do?
Edit Edit Edit Edit: Do Middle Easterners count as Asian?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: What generation's interpretation of race are we using?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: Are Irish people white, since 60 years ago they weren't?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: I am part Italian, does that mean I can be a cook?
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: My glove doesn't fit.
Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: Will people be forced to breed with people of their own race?
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:rotflmao:
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race.
You are seriously saying that we should force people to follow certain careers based on their ethnicity?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
There's much more nuance to race than this. There are subgroups of black people who generally dominate certain sports like sprint racing and basketball. But there's other sports generally dominated by subgroups of white people like hammer throwing (them northern europeans with thor's blood) and swimming. I think you are kind of viewing this like a video game with discrete races and their racial passive bonuses. I also think you might be confusing correlations with causal relation. We know that asians in general in the US seem to score higher in some academic settings. But this is just a correlation between two variables. To say that this means asians are racially superior at those tests would need to control for confouding variables and analysis of the mechanisms that make it so. This has not been done as far as i know.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
That's a grand plan you got there Hop Sing. You left out a few details though. Who will pick up the garbage in your grand plan? Also since all your asian brethren are busy using their superior brains to solve science and math problems for the rest of us, who will be left to build all the iphones?
More importantly, why the fuck should you care one bit what anyone who isn't you chooses to do for a living?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Its OK to go retard, but not OK to go full retard. I am pulling your E Asian card ... not smart enough. Either that, or don't troll. We can't all have tiger mothers, thank G-d!
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
I would call that wishful thinking or deluded thinking. So, yeah, you hold an incorrect view.
Gotta admit, while I've seen a lot of crazy shit said on this forum I've never seen someone come right out and blatantly admit they are a racist and then assert that they are right to be one.
And then support that assertion with disprovable racial stereotypes.
I guess in his world its ok for me to go ahead and assert that, as a Japanese man, he has a teeny tiny dick. After all, stereotypes are valid right?
Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2016, 05:06:19 PMEdit Edit Edit: Also, what if you are of two or more races? Wut do?
President or pro golfer. :P
QuoteEdit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit Edit: What jobs will Native Americans have?
Casinos.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 20, 2016, 04:27:03 PM
Maybe I hold an incorrect view, but I feel strongly that career choice should be determined by race. Asians can focus on STEM areas, whites can focus on business and politics, and blacks can focus on entertainment and sports.
Hold on guys, I think he's right: Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michelle Kwan clearly would have been better off switching jobs
[spoiler]:wtf:[/spoiler]
The Atheist, how does it feel to know from a biological standpoint you are an inferiour race? That when your people live in the rest of the world, they prefer white men to you?
Pretty much you have to stick to your little island, or us "less intelligent" races are going to steal your lady folk and pollute your gene pool. And even then we export our genes to your shrinking population island...
Your intelligence aint better than our majestic beards and bigger dicks, son. Have fun with your high suicide rates and depression.
It appears I've angered people here. Please accept my apologies. I was also accused of trolling, which isn't true at all. My ideas are unorthodox but they're sincere.
The career segregation I recommended in my previous post was only a general idea. Of course there are exceptions; some blacks can be politicians and some whites can be professional athletes. Some Asians can even choose to pursue STEM areas as a hobby, rather than as a career. Let's be honest, though. How many brothas in the ghetto are reading Plato or doing calculus? Two? One?
Did you know that Hitler considered the Japanese honorary Aryans? I don't advocate every single idea of Hitler's, but he was successful in his endeavors, and success simply doesn't happen without some degree of correct thought. I'm not declaring anything as fact, but maybe his great mind, which served him so well in the military and political arenas, also bore fruit in other areas of thought. Maybe we can dig through the falsehoods for those kernels of truth in Hitler's worldview.
Quote from: Shiranu on March 20, 2016, 09:16:16 PM
The Atheist, how does it feel to know from a biological standpoint you are an inferiour race? That when your people live in the rest of the world, they prefer white men to you?
Pretty much you have to stick to your little island, or us "less intelligent" races are going to steal your lady folk and pollute your gene pool. And even then we export our genes to your shrinking population island...
Your intelligence aint better than our majestic beards and bigger dicks, son. Have fun with your high suicide rates and depression.
Sure, Japanese women like to experience whites, but my understanding is that girls in Japan aren't exactly bringing home white guys to meet mom and dad. I've never been to Japan, though, so I can't offer an opinion. I actually live in America.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
It appears I've angered people here. Please accept my apologies. I was also accused of trolling, which isn't true at all. My ideas are unorthodox but they're sincere.
The career segregation I recommended in my previous post was only a general idea. Of course there are exceptions; some blacks can be politicians and some whites can be professional athletes. Some Asians can even choose to pursue STEM areas as a hobby, rather than as a career. Let's be honest, though. How many brothas in the ghetto are reading Plato or doing calculus? Two? One?
Did you know that Hitler considered the Japanese honorary Aryans? I don't advocate every single idea of Hitler's, but he was successful in his endeavors, and success simply doesn't happen without some degree of correct thought. I'm not declaring anything as fact, but maybe his great mind, which served him so well in the military and political arenas, also bore fruit in other areas of thought. Maybe we can dig through the falsehoods for those kernels of truth in Hitler's worldview.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5wWqxDx3wO0/TymxrrmuFaI/AAAAAAAAArw/JMFy6cAt8zw/s1600/Nathan-Fillion-reaction-gif.gif)
/pol/tard detected.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:14:34 AM
Sure, Japanese women like to experience whites, but my understanding is that girls in Japan aren't exactly bringing home white guys to meet mom and dad. I've never been to Japan, though, so I can't offer an opinion. I actually live in America.
They don't get to meet too many White guys, it being mostly Japanese folk who live there ;-)
"Did you know that Hitler considered the Japanese honorary Aryans?" yes, and Mussolini considered Hitler to be an honorary Kraut (he was Austrian, not real German). Reminds me of Mozart vs Salieri ;-))
Quote from: Poison Tree on March 20, 2016, 09:11:57 PM
Hold on guys, I think he's right: Neil deGrasse Tyson and Michelle Kwan clearly would have been better off switching jobs
[spoiler]:wtf:[/spoiler]
Tyson heard your suggestion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKFfYFTNGz4
As an intellectual exercise, one can seriously examine Hitler's serious thinking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
https://www.waste.org/~roadrunner/writing/ViewingPower/LevinasEarlyWork.htm
Essentially Hitler's Fuhrer-Prinzip is a secular version of High Papacy ... like the Borgias, but with much more military power, like in the Albigensian Crusade: "Kill them all, let G-d sort it out".
One would need to get deeply into Nietzsche and Heidegger as well. Hitler was into theater, so he understood catharsis well.
Japan is sufficiently "ethnically" uniform, they can better serve as a potential example of racial purity, than the Germans can. But that very isolation and lack of creativity under the Tokugawas shoguns, is what led to their weakness.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh5LY4Mz15o
Remember, I really really like Japan. Just don't mess with them.
Unless there's research to support OPs claim, I will just go ahead and think OP is pulling shit out his ass.
Racism is wrong, period. End of story.
Japanese should all be forced to become executioners ,but only get to use those fancy swords. No others need apply unless you're French in which case you get to use the guilotine. The only downside for Japanese here will be when everyone else is dead.. Executing dead people is just no fun..
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 21, 2016, 10:48:03 AM
Japanese should all be forced to become executioners ,but only get to use those fancy swords. No others need apply unless you're French in which case you get to use the guilotine.
And if you're Mongolian, you get to pour liquid silver down people's throats.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
The career segregation I recommended in my previous post was only a general idea. Of course there are exceptions
And how would you identify those exception and what would you do once you identified them? Wouldn't those exception become increasingly hard to spot in a world where people were fast tracked into a career based on nothing more then their race? At what point in training all the blacks to be athletes do you recognize Neil deGrasse Tyson as an Astrophysicist? How do you ensure that the exclusively asian STEM teachers and students even give him a chance?
While I'm at it, what mechanism would enforce this entire race based jobs scheme in the first place? How do you stop a bunch of uppity blacks from entering the STEM fields or force all the whites into business?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
How many brothas in the ghetto are reading Plato or doing calculus? Two? One?
Is that a result of them being "brothas" or living in the ghetto? How many China-men read Plato or did calculus after a hard day building a railroad?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
[. . .]Hitler [. . .] successful in his endeavors,[. . .] great mind, which served him so well in the military and political arenas
Because if there is one thing that people remember about Hitler it is how his personally directing military operations always lead to brilliant successes and, ultimately, victory in his wars, right?
Quote from: Atheon on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
Racism is wrong, period. End of story.
Or if you wanted a more open-minded approach...
Is racism wrong? No. Except for when it is, which is always.
Oh damn, I reached the same conclusion. Never mind.
To ensure that exceptions are found in a career-segregation system, standardized tests could be used to weed them out.
But let's cut to the chase, which is genetic engineering. The black man has a predisposition towards athletics and rhythm-dominant music (maybe because of the hunting and primitive drumming background of his ancestors). These genes can be enhanced in the black embryo, while at the same truncating the possibility of higher intelligence. In fact, if we take it a step further and breed out the fear of death and the ability to think abstractly, we could use blacks for dangerous jobs like infantry and bridge maintenance. (As a bonus, imagine how popular gladiatorial sports would be on TV. People would pay good money to see two brutes duke it out to the death.)
This is all speculation, of course. Future generations will need to wrestle with these questions and the ethics involved. My point is that career-segregation is a viable caste system. Time will only tell if it's implemented.
Quote from: Atheon on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
Racism is wrong, period. End of story.
Yet it stems from racial prejudice, which is prevalent throughout the world. We pretty much take it as a given in the west that racial prejudice is wrong because we've been conditioned to think that way. Step outside of western culture though, and you'll see a different picture. It's a defense mechanism that I imagine is intended to preserve the status quo, to preserve tradition and culture. which brings up another question; how much of the prejudice is cultural vs. racial?
I personally feel that much of the discrimination we see nowadays in the US is based more on cultural differences, and not race. The Atheist's ethnic slur, "brothas in the ghetto", or the pejorative use of redneck, which we often see on these forums, are perfect examples of confusing genetic difference with cultural. It's the same reason SJWs call anti-Islam people racists.
Personally, I think it's reprehensible to be prejudice against a person because of physical differences, racial traits so to speak, but it's perfectly understandable to reject certain cultural differences. The big challenge is to differentiate between the two. I think we're hardwired to generalize and combine them, as The Atheist has done, but it certainly causes a lot of problems when we do. Just look at the European immigration crisis.
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Quote from: Jack89 on March 21, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
I think we're hardwired to generalize and combine them, as The Atheist has done, but it certainly causes a lot of problems when we do. Just look at the European immigration crisis.
He moved to a Gattaca world entertained by the Running Man, from Hitler's 'success' and I think he is about to arrange a Long Walk for 15 old years to award the exceptions among 'the weak races', because it is a more profitable option than Super Bowl.
It is really not about anything you described above.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
He moved to a Gattaca world entertained by the Running Man, from Hitler's 'success' and I think he is about to arrange a Long Walk for 15 old years to award the exceptions among 'the weak races', because it is a more profitable option than Super Bowl.
It is really not about anything you described above.
Perhaps, but if he's sincere in his views rather than just trolling, he might be more receptive to criticism if it's not sarcasm and attempts at being clever. Just calling someone a racist does little to change their view.
Quote from: Jack89 on March 21, 2016, 02:21:54 PM
Perhaps, but if he's sincere in his views rather than just trolling, he might be more receptive to criticism if it's not sarcasm and attempts at being clever. Just calling someone a racist does little to change their view.
I tried but it does not seem to be worth my time at this point. He's like a low level stormfag. I have seen much better evidence based attempts to justify racial segregation in stormfront and like religion that's a topic i do not have much interest to delve into nowadays.
I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.
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Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 21, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.
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Yeah, this. I was also wondering the same thing, especially when he labeled himself a 'sociopath'.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 21, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.
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Have you ever gone to the /pol/ board in 4chan or 8chan? You will find people like him there. He's an alt-right guy. They have some interesting points but also a lot of bullshit. They have the dankest of memes though. I sometimes browse those boards to be exposed to dissenting opinions on controversial issues.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 21, 2016, 03:00:45 PM
Yeah, this. I was also wondering the same thing, especially when he labeled himself a 'sociopath'.
Baruch also calls himself a sociopath. People tend to use those words in a loose sense.
What is the meaning of this 'sincerity' and 'not being a troll' here at this point can please someone explain? He didn't post a thread to discuss generally that there are differences between 'races' and they have different qualities and there might be a 'better' use for it. If that was his point, he wouldn't put himself in it. We had two of these threads before in the last 6 years guys. I am sure more before I arrived. They were all based on the posters' 'superiror race'. Not the topic itself.
He posted this thread with a statement that there are 'inferior and superior races' and why is it wrong as long as 'he is nice about it'. When he was asked what would he feel about being defined as an 'inferior race' and he linked a wiki article with a statement of:
QuoteNo, because that would contradict reality.
That's his reality. And pretty much the reason for posting the thread. From there it is down to Hitler to genetically engineering people for dangerous work and entertainment. So let's cut the crap.
Why am I supposed to be nice to a racist fucking piece of shit because he is claiming to be 'sincere' about his bullshit so he would be open to recieve criticism? If he was a believer, he would be a chew toy. Who cares if he is open to criticism or not? He has a claim of intelligence ffs. He has the source and opportunity to learn. You think you are going to change his view?
It's nobody's duty to educate an adult in 'why racism is wrong 101' in freaking 2016 CE. Esp. someone whose 'race' idea evolved from his race being 'superior'.
Oh wait, there is NO other form racism or a racist defending another race's superiorty, is there? Hmm. So not a very interesting discussion and serves only one thing.
There is nothing more abhorent and lower than someone claiming superiority by birth and deciding places for other people in society in eleborate scenarios, supported by the idea of the success of a man who is responsible from the death of 50 000 000 people.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 03:07:11 PM
Have you ever gone to the /pol/ board in 4chan or 8chan? You will find people like him there. He's an alt-right guy. They have some interesting points but also a lot of bullshit. They have the dankest of memes though. I sometimes browse those boards to be exposed to dissenting opinions on controversial issues.
I've never been to 4 Chan or 8chan. I get the impression it would be too extreme for my taste. This forum is about as deep into the online culture as I care to go.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 03:08:32 PM
Baruch also calls himself a sociopath. People tend to use those words in a loose sense.
Yeah, I suppose they do. But because I spent 35+ years as a teacher in a juvenile hall school, I have had face-to-face encounters with sociopaths. And they were all kids who lacked any regard for anyone but themselves. So, in real life if somebody told me that they were a sociopath, I'd simply thank them and stay away from them from then on.
I have seen him labeling himself as a sociopath. Sociopaths are easily agitated and usally prone to emotional outbursts. He sounds preserved, cold and dull. Calculated. He doesn't sound like a sociopath. More like acting like a certain character. Why would a real sociopath be open about his condition and tells it more than once at every opportunity? It's not a condition to claim unless you have to even in an internet forum.
At most, more like a kid who pretends to have no empathy, no emotion or regard to human life to sound like a sociopath tv show character, because you know they are 'cool' 'high functioning' characters and having no emotions of course makes you more 'intelligent'.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 03:18:04 PM
What is the meaning of this 'sincerity' and 'not being a troll' here at this point can please someone explain? genetically engineering people for dangerous work and entertainment. So let's cut the crap.
When I think of a troll I think of someone who just posts things to get a reaction and the troll probably doesn't believe what they write. Sincerity doesn't make the post any more legitimate, however for someone who focuses on
why people say what they do it adds a piece to the puzzle. You are correct the racism topic as presented isn't interesting, it only serves The Atheist, and there really is nothing to address. Your assessment of The Atheist as a "sociopath" is also on target. Typically I would never share that opinion but hey, what do I know, I'm just an intellectually inferior Caucasian!
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 04:15:45 PM
I have seen him labeling himself as a sociopath. Sociopaths are easily agitated and usally prone to emotional outbursts. He sounds preserved, cold and dull. Calculated. He doesn't sound like a sociopath. More like acting like a certain character. Why would a real sociopath be open about his condition and tells it more than once at every opportunity? It's not a condition to claim unless you have to even in an internet forum.
At most, more like a kid who pretends to have no empathy, no emotion or regard to human life to sound like a sociopath tv show character, because you know they are 'cool' 'high functioning' characters and having no emotions of course makes you more 'intelligent'.
No. I believe I mentioned being a sociopath once only to explain my prior belief in a god. I wasn't "bragging" about it, nor do I have any reason to.
I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.
People discriminate by nature. They really, really do. If it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.
So let's cut to the big idea. How do you justify suppressing human nature? Is this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?
You criticize me for glorifying human nature. Well, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion. Show me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 21, 2016, 04:57:23 PM
I'm just an intellectually inferior Caucasian!
As a Caucasian that ought to be doomed to a life of politicking, maybe we could pass some laws discriminating against other races so that we can get ahead of all those brainy Asians and athletically talented blacks.
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Oh yeah. Maybe you're right, The Atheist. How can racism ever be wrong?
It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:04:18 PM
No. I believe I mentioned being a sociopath once only to explain my prior belief in a god. I wasn't "bragging" about it, nor do I have any reason to.
I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.
People discriminate by nature. They really, really do. If it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.
So let's cut to the big idea. How do you justify suppressing human nature? Is this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?
You criticize me for glorifying human nature. Well, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion. Show me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.
I have no problem with accepting that discrimination is natural and useful for individuals in their daily lifes and not an inherent evil. I have a problem with your superficial analysis of races and by your proposed caste system which looks like you took it out of brave new world without realising it was satire.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 05:50:41 PM
I have no problem with accepting that discrimination is natural and useful for individuals in their daily lifes and not an inherent evil. I have a problem with your superficial analysis of races and by your proposed caste system which looks like you took it out of brave new world without realising it was satire.
If the Caucasian/Neanderthal brain cannot grasp this simple concept, then maybe I should bow out of the discussion and save myself the frustration of dealing with this indoctrinated mindset so prevalent in society today.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:48:59 PM
It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.
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Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:57:37 PM
If the Caucasian/Neanderthal brain cannot grasp this simple concept, then maybe I should bow out of the discussion and save myself the frustration of dealing with this indoctrinated mindset so prevalent in society today.
Well go back to your asian supremacist echochamber no one is going to miss you.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:04:18 PM
I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.
Mos of the people here don't even agree on a race concept you follow, let alone feeling the need to justify their anti-racist sentiment. I don't know who is mad, but what I experience is despise.
QuotePeople discriminate by nature. They really, really do.
Yes. Humans do a lot of things 'by nature'. By nature doesn't make something OK, because it is by nature.
QuoteIf it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.
Now, the racial differences has just become skin colour? I thought it was all 'advanced abilities' and 'super talents' for the development of humanity? As your introduction and what follows were all based on 'superiority' and inferiority'. How is a skin colour inferior to another one?
QuoteHow do you justify suppressing human nature?
Who is supressing human nature here? You are offering a dystopia where people are engineered and put to jobs and duties according to their race without leaving them any choice or make a decision according to interest and dictate what they should do with their lives.
You gave an example of engineering black people from not fearing a life threatening situation to use them for manual labour. You are talking about GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SLAVES, you piece of shit.
QuoteIs this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?
Meaningless drivel. And among all those examples you could give on suppressing human nature, you thought of building an anology between supressing masturbation with a mediveal tool and rejection of SLAVERY? Oh you are a freaking wet dream of a Freudian psychiatrist.
QuoteYou criticize me for glorifying human nature.
I didn't critcise you. I insulted you.
QuoteWell, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion.
Dismissed. You are claiming superiorty by race based on a bullshit idea of 'quantifying' intelligence by standardised tests. And only reason you imposing this idea is your belief in 'superiority' of your own race.
QuoteShow me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.
We do not need anything to magically change. Cultural and racial diversity is crucial to our civilisation, so we could fight back to ideas like yours that will turn humans into slaves. We need to spread tolerance to provide ground for this.
I'm not trying so sound like a d*ck, but when the Europeans when to Japan, the Japanese were appalled to find a people who only bathed once per year and who ate with their fingers. The Greeks and the Romans were excellent people; they bathed daily and the Romans even had indoor plumbing. Once Western Europe fell into the Dark Ages in the sixth century, it would be another 1,400 years before they resumed daily bathing.
You know"the atheist" I'm betting when you were a child and someone asked what you want to be when you grow up you said, 'A worthless arrogant prick'! You've succeeded. Congratulations.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
Mos of the people here don't even agree on a race concept you follow, let alone feeling the need to justify their anti-racist sentiment. I don't know who is mad, but what I experience is despise.
Yes. Humans do a lot of things 'by nature'. By nature doesn't make something OK, because it is by nature.
Now, the racial differences has just become skin colour? I thought it was all 'advanced abilities' and 'super talents' for the development of humanity? As your introduction and what follows were all based on 'superiority' and inferiority'. How is a skin colour inferior than another one?
Who is supressing human nature here? You are offering a dystopia where people are engineered and put to jobs and duties according to their race without leaving them any choice or make a decision according to interest and dictate what they should do with their lives.
You gave an example of engineering black people from not fearing a life threatening situation to use them for manual labour. You are talking about GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SLAVES, you piece of shit.
Meaningless drivel. And among all those examples you could give on suppressing human nature, you thought of building an anology between supressing masturbation with a mediveal tool and rejection of SLAVERY? Oh you are a freaking wet dream of a Freudian psychiatrist.
I didn't critcise you. I insulted you.
Dismissed. You are claiming superiorty by race based on a bullshit idea of 'quantifying' intelligence by standardised tests. And only reason you imposing this idea is your belief in 'superiority' of your own race.
We do not need anything to magically change. Cultural and racial diversity is crucial to our civilisation, so we could fight back to ideas like yours that will turn humans into slaves. We need to spread tolerance to provide ground for this.
You claim that human nature isn't always good, then you claim that changing human nature via genetic engineering is bad.
In the same post.
Um, what?
Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 21, 2016, 06:09:03 PM
You know"the atheist" I'm betting when you were a child and someone asked what you want to be when you grow up you said, 'A worthless arrogant prick'! You've succeeded. Congratulations.
How am I a "worthless arrogant pr*ck"? Because I say things you dislike?
Please stay on topic. I'm having an honest discussion and these vicious assaults are pointless.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
How am I a "worthless arrogant pr*ck"? Because I say things you dislike?
Please stay on topic. I'm having an honest discussion and these vicious assaults are pointless.
If you actually wrote a decent detailed and sourced post people like me would consider your ideas. But so far your posts are lazy. I suggest you stop debating here which is not gonna get anywhere, chill out and write your piece.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 06:33:07 PM
If you actually wrote a decent detailed and sourced post people like me would consider your ideas. But so far your posts are lazy. I suggest you stop debating here which is not gonna get anywhere, chill out and write your piece.
Did you know that Silicon Valley is 50.6% Asian?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:10:25 PM
You claim that human nature isn't always good, then you claim that changing human nature via genetic engineering is bad.
In the same post.
Um, what?
How are you going to understand any answer I put here, if you are not intelligent enough to understand what you are offering is just advanced slavery, but nothing else?
You are either really a sociopath and that means you lack the facility of evaluating one of the most crucial type of knowledge; emotion and empathy -not necessarily the latter- OR you are just a attention seeking kid.
I vote for the second.
Either way, your intelligence leaves a lot to desire esp. after a claim on its 'superiority'. You cannot connect anything you put on the table; speculate a simple outcome in your scenarios. You are talking like all these are happening in a video game in the back ground and you are the only one who could interatct with it. As if people are living on the world, but not in it. Do you get that expression? That tells me you have very little to no experience with real life, esp. with people.
And learn what 'quantification' means.
I probably should have posted this article in my OP:
http://human-stupidity.com/#article/144
Reading this will convince you that I'm correct.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
Please stay on topic. I'm having an honest discussion and these vicious assaults are pointless.
You are not having a discussion. You are 'feeding on'. Your position is pretty embarrassing from outside. Self awareness is an important sign of intelligence. Like observation.
And I am bored.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:44:14 PM
Did you know that Silicon Valley is 50.6% Asian?
So! "Dick Cheney"
Most of them are Indian, Korean and Chinese ... not so many Japanese. Do you know that Asia produces more engineers in a month than the US does in a decade (probably not right ratio). And some of them are actually good, and get H1B visas (and get mildly fucked over by their evil Gaijin employers). Non-Asian Americans usually don't get visas to go do technology in Asia ... except to transfer the know-how and GTFO.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:52:38 PM
I probably should have posted this article in my OP:
http://human-stupidity.com/#article/144
Reading this will convince you that I'm correct.
mmm. Yeah. No.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 06:54:16 PM
You are not having a discussion. You are 'feeding on'. Your position is pretty embarrassing from outside. Self awareness is an important sign of intelligence. Like observation.
And I am bored.
http://human-stupidity.com/#article/144
Be enlightened.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:52:38 PM
I probably should have posted this article in my OP:
http://human-stupidity.com/#article/144
Reading this will convince you that I'm correct.
Are you pr126's kid? Did you know that Google was initially funded by the CIA ... if you are really concerned about Muslim immigrants to the EU ... you are posting in the wrong thread ... try Islam higher up on this forum.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 06:50:01 PM
How are you going to understand any answer I put here, if you are not intelligent enough to understand what you are offering is just advanced slavery, but nothing else?
You are either really a sociopath and that means you lack the facility of evaluating one of the most crucial type of knowledge; emotion and empathy -not necessarily the latter- OR you are just a attention seeking kid.
I vote for the second.
Either way, your intelligence leaves a lot to desire esp. after a claim on its 'superiority'. You cannot connect anything you put on the table; speculate a simple outcome in your scenarios. You are talking like all these are happening in a video game in the back ground and you are the only one who could interatct with it. As if people are living on the world, but not in it. Do you get that expression? That tells me you have very little to no experience with real life, esp. with people.
And learn what 'quantification' means.
If a slave wants to be a slave, because that is what his nature compels him to be and that is what brings him the most well being and that is the maxium expression of his selfdetermination. Because he was genetically designed for this purpose.
How and why is this wrong?
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
If a slave wants to be a slave, because that is what his nature compels him to be and that is what brings him the most well being and that is the maxium expression of his selfdetermination. Because he was genetically designed for this purpose.
How and why is this wrong?
We are all designed to be slaves to each other. Only assholes think they are the exception.
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2016, 06:59:49 PM
Are you pr126's kid? Did you know that Google was initially funded by the CIA ... if you are really concerned about Muslim immigrants to the EU ... you are posting in the wrong thread ... try Islam higher up on this forum.
What?
The article is a scientific study on the differences between blacks, whites, and asians.
Correction ... not sociopath, criminal. Don't conflate me with the well dressed upper classes who never serve time for their white collar crimes! That would be an insult ;-)
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 07:05:32 PM
What?
The article is a scientific study on the differences between blacks, whites, and asians.
I do not think you linked the right article i got an article about politically incorrect google searches and hillary clinton hypocracy.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 07:05:32 PM
What?
The article is a scientific study on the differences between blacks, whites, and asians.
Know your forum population.
If by http://human-stupidity.com/#article/144 ... as the article you are referring to ... surely you jest! Tis the mere drivel of mountebanks and jackanapes.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 06:00:54 PM
I didn't critcise you. I insulted you.
I bursted out laughing from this. Don't know why. I just love your brutal honesty, shoesy hahahaha
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2016, 07:07:33 PM
Correction ... not sociopath, criminal. Don't conflate me with the well dressed upper classes who never serve time for their white collar crimes! That would be an insult ;-)
Sorry bro i misremenbered then. Your idea of being a criminal reminds of a character from the plague by Camus who after watching his father sentence a man to death which shocked him and inspired him to work for years for subversive political groups ending up killing for the cause he concludes that just by being a member of society you are condoning murder and you are guilty. He also had all this dialogues about types of people being saints and other types i do not remenber now. He was my favorite character.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
If a slave wants to be a slave, because that is what his nature compels him to be and that is what brings him the most well being and that is the maxium expression of his selfdetermination. Because he was genetically designed for this purpose.
How and why is this wrong?
You are going to change someone fundamentally to program them to make a slave AND THEN you are going to ask about how and why is wrong with it in terms 'wanting to be slave', 'compelling nature', 'well being', 'self determination'.
I am sick of meaningless drivels on slavery. Fuck off.
I need to get out of this thread.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:48:59 PM
It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.
Nietzsche belongs in the philosophy section ... we can discuss it there .. dispassionately if you like.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 07:16:44 PM
You are going to change someone fundamentally to program them to make a slave AND THEN you are going to ask about how and why is wrong with it in terms 'wanting to be slave', 'compelling nature', 'well being', 'self determination'.
I am sick of meaningless drivels on slavery. Fuck off.
Not really changing someone. You are going to create him. Basically like brave new world.
That link I posted doesn't work, I guess.
Here's the same article on another site.
http://meinvolk.com/2015/02/04/race-differences-in-intelligence-how-research-changed-my-mind-to-overcome-the-all-races-are-equal-dogma/
(It's a white supremacy website, so I'm surprised they have it posted there.)
(http://human-stupidity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/race_intelligence_adoption_rushtonsm1.jpg)
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
That link I posted doesn't work, I guess.
Here's the same article on another site.
http://meinvolk.com/2015/02/04/race-differences-in-intelligence-how-research-changed-my-mind-to-overcome-the-all-races-are-equal-dogma/
(It's a white supremacy website, so I'm surprised they have it posted there.)
Supremacist of all races love "race realism" rhetoric and ideas. Not surprising at all.
Scheisse ... you aren't German are you! I am at lest part German. And I may have been a Wehrmacht soldier in WW II, in a previous life. But it isn't anything to brag about. Now if you were a Bavarian girl who can shake your dirndl and serve up some good beer in Munich during the Octoberfest ... you could brag, until you get ugly later ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsQIYtUTD_0
Or if you are like me, you could have appeared at Halloween as a big busted biergarten fraulein. Everyone said my legs and boobs were Vunderbar!
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
(http://human-stupidity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/race_intelligence_adoption_rushtonsm1.jpg)
As long as we guarantee the self determination of individuals any endongenous advantage will be shown in the results organically. We do not need any caste systems in the same way we do not need any affirmative action.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
(http://human-stupidity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/race_intelligence_adoption_rushtonsm1.jpg)
Take a course on lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 07:18:19 PM
Not really changing someone. You are going to create him. Basically like brave new world.
Already being done in London. 90% sheep, 10% human ... how long before the ratio reverses? Maybe the EU should expel GB, instead of the other way round?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:06:08 PM
I'm not trying so sound like a d*ck, but when the Europeans when to Japan, the Japanese were appalled to find a people who only bathed once per year and who ate with their fingers.
(http://i3.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article6549027.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/I150929_193711_2034804oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000073368277o.jpg)
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/74858994-children-eating-watermelon-outside-school-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=YV%2F878%2BxkM4hHginc4ARryWb5N9TSWZVs9OaHx0HOdH4u4rqIf5p5WhuuDXJYT8a)(http://cdnimg.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2E189E4400000578-3303311-image-a-9_1446634532004.jpg?cfaea8)
Sounds legit.
And the bathing once a year (http://www.medievalists.net/2013/04/13/did-people-in-the-middle-ages-take-baths/) thing is bullshit. Early modern Europeans generally took at least weekly baths, though that was bumped up to daily showers as industrialization reached full swing.
And btw, when Americans came to Japan, it was with warships that greatly outclassed anything Japan had at the time. An understandably worried Japan climbed the tech tree with haste afterwards, but yeah, it's clear from the numerous cultural exchanges between Europeans and Japanese that both sides definitely saw admirable qualities in the other.
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
Scheisse ... you aren't German are you! I am at lest part German. And I may have been a Wehrmacht soldier in WW II, in a previous life. But it isn't anything to brag about. Now if you were a Bavarian girl who can shake your dirndl and serve up some good beer in Munich during the Octoberfest ... you could brag, until you get ugly later ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsQIYtUTD_0
Or if you are like me, you could have appeared at Halloween as a big busted biergarten fraulein. Everyone said my legs and boobs were Vunderbar!
I liked your post because it has bewbs. didn't even read it
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2016, 07:30:49 PM
Already being done in London. 90% sheep, 10% human ... how long before the ratio reverses? Maybe the EU should expel GB, instead of the other way round?
Yes onwards to the brave new world where breeding is automated, science is castrated and only savages read shakespeare.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 07:44:53 PM
Yes onwards to the brave new world where breeding is automated, science is castrated and only savages read shakespeare.
Yes, Hitler really did win the war. Infecting GB and USA with germ-ans was plan B. So far so good, the Boys From Brazil have been very infectious.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 21, 2016, 07:38:15 PM
(http://i3.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article6549027.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/I150929_193711_2034804oTextTRMRMMGLPICT000073368277o.jpg)
(http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/74858994-children-eating-watermelon-outside-school-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=YV%2F878%2BxkM4hHginc4ARryWb5N9TSWZVs9OaHx0HOdH4u4rqIf5p5WhuuDXJYT8a)(http://cdnimg.in/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2E189E4400000578-3303311-image-a-9_1446634532004.jpg?cfaea8)
Sounds legit.
And the bathing once a year (http://www.medievalists.net/2013/04/13/did-people-in-the-middle-ages-take-baths/) thing is bullshit. Early modern Europeans generally took at least weekly baths, though that was bumped up to daily showers as industrialization reached full swing.
And btw, when Americans came to Japan, it was with warships that greatly outclassed anything Japan had at the time. An understandably worried Japan climbed the tech tree with haste afterwards, but yeah, it's clear from the numerous cultural exchanges between Europeans and Japanese that both sides definitely saw admirable qualities in the other.
I was thinking of the Portuguese and Dutch who first visited Japan in the 16th century. (America isn't in Europe.)
Warfare fuels technological advancement like nothing else. Until Europe decided to colonize and ravage the rest of the world five hundred years ago, European and Asian empires were more or less similar in terms of technology. When Europeans decided to go venturing beyond their continent, they rapidly developed new technologies.
But the white man is beginning to lose that edge he gained in the 16th century, because he's not smart enough to maintain it. The way I see it, the white man did the dirty work of developing technology, and now the asian man will comfortably advance it as he sees fit.
But will the asian man make anime real?
#Asktherealquestions
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 05:48:59 PM
It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.
You and Nipper seem like you'd make good bed-fellows. You don't think, you use beliefs as a guide. And you conflate your opinion with facts, just like Nipper. Seems you'd make a damn good christian.
It's too bad that the Europeans were so hellbent on enslaving the Japanese along with the Africans.
Wikipedia:
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Japanese slaves are believed to be the first of their nation to end up in Europe, and the Portuguese purchased large numbers of Japanese slave girls to bring to Portugal for sexual purposes, as noted by the Church in 1555. Sebastian of Portugal feared that this was having a negative effect on Catholic proselytization since the slave trade in Japanese was growing to massive proportions, so he commanded that it be banned in 1571.
Japanese slave women were even sold as concubines to black African crewmembers, along with their European counterrparts serving on Portuguese ships trading in Japan, mentioned by Luis Cerqueira, a Portuguese Jesuit, in a 1598 document.[7] Japanese slaves were brought by the Portuguese to Macau, where some of them not only ended up being enslaved to Portuguese, but as slaves to other slaves, with the Portuguese owning Malay and African slaves, who in turn owned Japanese slaves of their own.
Quote from: Mike Cl on March 21, 2016, 08:17:15 PM
You and Nipper seem like you'd make good bed-fellows. You don't think, you use beliefs as a guide. And you conflate your opinion with facts, just like Nipper. Seems you'd make a damn good christian.
Maybe you missed the article and graph I had posted?
#science
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 08:20:32 PM
Maybe you missed the article and graph I had posted?
#science
No, I saw the article and graph. You are a spreader of pseudo-science; actually you are a hate monger, just as Nipper is.
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 06:06:08 PM
I'm not trying so sound like a d*ck, but when the Europeans when to Japan, the Japanese were appalled to find a people who only bathed once per year and who ate with their fingers. The Greeks and the Romans were excellent people; they bathed daily and the Romans even had indoor plumbing. Once Western Europe fell into the Dark Ages in the sixth century, it would be another 1,400 years before they resumed daily bathing.
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Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I was thinking of the Portuguese and Dutch who first visited Japan in the 16th century.
Yeah, and you'd still be just as wrong.
Quote(America isn't in Europe.)
Thanks, I was kinda confused there. Or...and get this...I might have been talking about America when I said America.
QuoteWhen Europeans decided to go venturing beyond their continent, they rapidly developed new technologies.
You reversed cause and effect. New technologies fueled colonialism, not the other way around. At least, not at first. Though obviously, the resources and wealth obtained through colonialism prompted further technological development. The Chinese treasure fleet did the same thing before being outlawed. But unlike China, Europe was fragmented enough that it couldn't be as easily outlawed.
QuoteBut the white man is beginning to lose that edge he gained in the 16th century, because he's not smart enough to maintain it.
"the white man"
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fa/28/0b/fa280b4fd86b8900e1f2b86b857df2fe.jpg)
Things are different now. There is no "white man". There is no "black man". There's only dark meat and white meat. We survive and prosper by pulling together, not apart.
Ok just a quick question for the staff. How is it that this thread is still open? Are you reading his comments? What part of that isn't being a troll? Do we not have rules against trolling here?
How in Earth was that username still available for a troll to grab? It seems like one of those basic names that would be snatched up quickly. Must be because of all the stupid white people here :D
Quote from: Johan on March 21, 2016, 10:00:36 PM
Ok just a quick question for the staff. How is it that this thread is still open? Are you reading his comments? What part of that isn't being a troll? Do we not have rules against trolling here?
He's been put in purgatory. Note the "Trollando" banner.
A troll is not someone who holds positions you find ridiculuous stop misusing that word. There's almost no way to tell if he is a troll or a genuine alt-right idiot.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 10:44:18 PM
A troll is not someone who holds positions you find ridiculuous stop misusing that word. There's almost no way to tell if he is a troll or a genuine alt-right idiot.
Aw ... and here I was looking forward to going into the Enter The Darkness section and discuss with him if Hitler ever did comic-con dress-up as Nietzsche. Actually Hitler did play dress-up in costumes borrowed from the Wagnerian opera center.
Quote from: Hijiri Byakuren on March 21, 2016, 10:38:31 PM
He's been put in purgatory. Note the "Trollando" banner.
I noticed that but I didn't know it meant the user was in purgatory. I learned something new today. Thanks.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 10:44:18 PM
A troll is not someone who holds positions you find ridiculuous stop misusing that word. There's almost no way to tell if he is a troll or a genuine alt-right idiot.
There is NEVER sure way to tell if someone is a troll or a genuine idiot. But if it looks like a duck, smells like a duck and posts troll-like comments such as don't get all butthurt because you're not the superior race... Then yeah, probably no downside to considering him a troll.
Quote from: mauricio on March 21, 2016, 10:44:18 PM
A troll is not someone who holds positions you find ridiculuous stop misusing that word. There's almost no way to tell if he is a troll or a genuine alt-right idiot.
The guy is an actual troll, though. He's super pro-Trump and then suddenly, he's super pro-Hillary. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
Quote from: Johan on March 21, 2016, 10:00:36 PM
Ok just a quick question for the staff. How is it that this thread is still open? Are you reading his comments? What part of that isn't being a troll? Do we not have rules against trolling here?
Sorry we can't be everywhere/all the time. If you see something fishy that you think we've missed, there is the "report to moderator" button. Thank you.
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 21, 2016, 11:22:28 PM
The guy is an actual troll, though. He's super pro-Trump and then suddenly, he's super pro-Hillary. It doesn't take a genius to figure that one out.
he supported hillary? Now that is fishy every alt-right guy i have seen hates hillary.
Quote from: pato15 on March 21, 2016, 10:01:39 PM
Must be because of all the stupid white people here :D
Good thing I'm not white. lol
Quote from: Baruch on March 21, 2016, 07:26:20 PM
Or if you are like me, you could have appeared at Halloween as a big busted biergarten fraulein. Everyone said my legs and boobs were Vunderbar!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsQIYtUTD_0
Ever notice in a beer commercial how everyone is young, athletic, participating in friendly games of soccer or touch football, or in this case, just bright eyed and sexy? They never show a normal drunk unsuccessfully trying to maintain balance, slurring words, or displaying no more than a cursorily awareness of his surroundings as someone startles him/her out of a stupor. People in beer commercials all seem like none of them have had a drink in 5 years, and spend all their time working out at a gym.
It feels like most women in beer commercials are brunettes, why is that? There are blondes, but there far more brunettes. Is there a common opinion that brunettes drink more beer than blondes?
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 22, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
It feels like most women in beer commercials are brunettes, why is that? There are blondes, but there far more brunettes. Is there a common opinion that brunettes drink more beer than blondes?
Maybe cause brunettes are more attractive to white audiences? Here where the majority of people are brown i remenber mainly blonde chicks in all sorts of commercials. Beauty of the exotic and all that.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 22, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
It feels like most women in beer commercials are brunettes, why is that? There are blondes, but there far more brunettes. Is there a common opinion that brunettes drink more beer than blondes?
The current trend in media is to have racially ambiguous actors. A brunette is more common in more cultures than a blonde and would theoretically be more relatable. Just a theory..
Quote from: mauricio on March 22, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
Maybe cause brunettes are more attractive to white audiences? Here where the majority of people are brown i remenber mainly blonde chicks in all sorts of commercials. Beauty of the exotic and all that.
Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 22, 2016, 05:07:40 PM
The current trend in media is to have racially ambiguous actors. A brunette is more common in more cultures than a blonde and would theoretically be more relatable. Just a theory.
Both of these make sense.
Good one GSO.
Quote from: mauricio on March 22, 2016, 04:27:51 PM
Maybe cause brunettes are more attractive to white audiences? Here where the majority of people are brown i remenber mainly blonde chicks in all sorts of commercials. Beauty of the exotic and all that.
Not here in the South, anyways. Blondes (Scandinavian women) where I live are still considered the pinnacle of beauty. Most people here who think that way are white or browns who want to be culturally white.
Most of the European men I have known like olive tan brunettes. And most of the Turkish men like slav blondes. :lol:
But Shir has a point too. It's been nailed to our heads so long that white blonde is the top beauty.
I personally somehow don't even notice blonde men. But then I am attracted to masculinity.
I've always preferred dark hair, particularly for men.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 22, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
It feels like most women in beer commercials are brunettes, why is that? There are blondes, but there far more brunettes. Is there a common opinion that brunettes drink more beer than blondes?
The heirarchy of hair color in women is Ginger>black/brunette>blonde.
Brunette master race...
I might be late on the game, but do we have a conclusion or is there still debate on this? o.o
It's pretty easy to conclude. Gingers are the best, then come black hair and brunettes... then come blondes.
I don't care what color their hair is as long as they can suck a di……er…….understand the idea of Schrödinger's cat.
You act as though I was here the whole thread =3=*
LOL Red hair is a very pretty hair colour, imo. I have been a 'red head' for a long time years ago. My eyes are green and my skin colour is white looking so it suited. It always works on men :p. Very dificult to maintain though. Myeh.
There is a great discrimination against ginger men though. When it is women everyone loves it, when it is men...
Quote from: dtq123 on March 22, 2016, 06:17:22 PM
You act as though I was here the whole thread =3=*
It ended,
dtq. There wasn't much to discuss. We had a 'hey my race is superior, so I think racism is not wrong'.
Quote from: dtq123 on March 22, 2016, 06:06:48 PM
I might be late on the game, but do we have a conclusion or is there still debate on this? o.o
You belong to the too late to participate race ;-)
Blondes have more fun! And are better looking. But then, when I was young Marilyn Monroe and Jane Mansfield were the big sex symbols. And my heritage is Swedish--and they love their blondes!