Is racism wrong?

[mauricio]

Yeah, this.  I was also wondering the same thing, especially when he labeled himself a 'sociopath'. 

Baruch also calls himself a sociopath. People tend to use those words in a loose sense.

[drunkenshoe]

What is the meaning of this 'sincerity' and 'not being a troll' here at this point can please someone explain? He didn't post a thread to discuss generally that there are differences between 'races' and they have different qualities and there might be a 'better' use for it. If that was his point, he wouldn't put himself in it. We had two of these threads before in the last 6 years guys. I am sure more before I arrived. They were all based on the posters' 'superiror race'. Not the topic itself.

He posted this thread with a statement that there are 'inferior and superior races' and why is it wrong as long as 'he is nice about it'. When he was asked what would he feel about being defined as an 'inferior race' and he linked a wiki article with a statement of:

No, because that would contradict reality.

That's his reality. And pretty much the reason for posting the thread. From there it is down to Hitler to genetically engineering people for dangerous work and entertainment. So let's cut the crap.

Why am I supposed to be nice to a racist fucking piece of shit because he is claiming to be 'sincere' about his bullshit so he would be open to recieve criticism? If he was a believer, he would be a chew toy. Who cares if he is open to criticism or not? He has a claim of intelligence ffs. He has the source and opportunity to learn. You think you are going to change his view?

It's nobody's duty to educate an adult in 'why racism is wrong 101' in freaking 2016 CE. Esp. someone whose 'race' idea evolved from his race being 'superior'.

Oh wait, there is NO other form racism or a racist defending another race's superiorty, is there? Hmm. So not a very interesting discussion and serves only one thing.

There is nothing more abhorent and lower than someone claiming superiority by birth and deciding places for other people in society in eleborate scenarios, supported by the idea of the success of a man who is responsible from the death of 50 000 000 people.

[GSOgymrat]

Have you ever gone to the /pol/ board in 4chan or 8chan? You will find people like him there. He's an alt-right guy. They have some interesting points but also a lot of bullshit. They have the dankest of memes though. I sometimes browse those boards to be exposed to dissenting opinions on controversial issues.

I've never been to 4 Chan or 8chan. I get the impression it would be too extreme for my taste. This forum is about as deep into the online culture as I care to go.

[Mike Cl]

Baruch also calls himself a sociopath. People tend to use those words in a loose sense.

Yeah, I suppose they do.  But because I spent 35+ years as a teacher in a juvenile hall school, I have had face-to-face encounters with sociopaths.  And they were all kids who lacked any regard for anyone but themselves.  So, in real life if somebody told me that they were a sociopath, I'd simply thank them and stay away from them from then on.

[drunkenshoe]

I have seen him labeling himself as a sociopath. Sociopaths are easily agitated and usally prone to emotional outbursts. He sounds preserved, cold and dull. Calculated. He doesn't sound like a sociopath. More like acting like a certain character. Why would a real sociopath be open about his condition and tells it more than once at every opportunity? It's not a condition to claim unless you have to even in an internet forum.

At most, more like a kid who pretends to have no empathy, no emotion or regard to human life to sound like a sociopath tv show character, because you know they are 'cool' 'high functioning' characters and having no emotions of course makes you more 'intelligent'. 

[GSOgymrat]

What is the meaning of this 'sincerity' and 'not being a troll' here at this point can please someone explain?  genetically engineering people for dangerous work and entertainment. So let's cut the crap.

When I think of a troll I think of someone who just posts things to get a reaction and the troll probably doesn't believe what they write. Sincerity doesn't make the post any more legitimate, however for someone who focuses on why people say what they do it adds a piece to the puzzle. You are correct the racism topic as presented isn't interesting, it only serves The Atheist, and there really is nothing to address. Your assessment of The Atheist as a "sociopath" is also on target. Typically I would never share that opinion but hey, what do I know, I'm just an intellectually inferior Caucasian!

[The Atheist]

I have seen him labeling himself as a sociopath. Sociopaths are easily agitated and usally prone to emotional outbursts. He sounds preserved, cold and dull. Calculated. He doesn't sound like a sociopath. More like acting like a certain character. Why would a real sociopath be open about his condition and tells it more than once at every opportunity? It's not a condition to claim unless you have to even in an internet forum.

At most, more like a kid who pretends to have no empathy, no emotion or regard to human life to sound like a sociopath tv show character, because you know they are 'cool' 'high functioning' characters and having no emotions of course makes you more 'intelligent'.

No. I believe I mentioned being a sociopath once only to explain my prior belief in a god. I wasn't "bragging" about it, nor do I have any reason to.

I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.

People discriminate by nature. They really, really do. If it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.

So let's cut to the big idea. How do you justify suppressing human nature? Is this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?

You criticize me for glorifying human nature. Well, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion. Show me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.

[TomFoolery]

I'm just an intellectually inferior Caucasian!

As a Caucasian that ought to be doomed to a life of politicking, maybe we could pass some laws discriminating against other races so that we can get ahead of all those brainy Asians and athletically talented blacks.



Oh yeah. Maybe you're right, The Atheist. How can racism ever be wrong?

[The Atheist]

It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.

[mauricio]

No. I believe I mentioned being a sociopath once only to explain my prior belief in a god. I wasn't "bragging" about it, nor do I have any reason to.

I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.

People discriminate by nature. They really, really do. If it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.

So let's cut to the big idea. How do you justify suppressing human nature? Is this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?

You criticize me for glorifying human nature. Well, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion. Show me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.

I have no problem with accepting that discrimination is natural and useful for individuals in their daily lifes and not an inherent evil. I have a problem with your superficial analysis of races and by your proposed caste system which  looks like you took it out of brave new world without realising it was satire.

[The Atheist]

I have no problem with accepting that discrimination is natural and useful for individuals in their daily lifes and not an inherent evil. I have a problem with your superficial analysis of races and by your proposed caste system which  looks like you took it out of brave new world without realising it was satire.

If the Caucasian/Neanderthal brain cannot grasp this simple concept, then maybe I should bow out of the discussion and save myself the frustration of dealing with this indoctrinated mindset so prevalent in society today.

[Sargon The Grape]

It's no surprise that the inferior races hate the superior. This does not change facts, though. Don't be butthurt.

[mauricio]

If the Caucasian/Neanderthal brain cannot grasp this simple concept, then maybe I should bow out of the discussion and save myself the frustration of dealing with this indoctrinated mindset so prevalent in society today.

Well go back to your asian supremacist echochamber no one is going to miss you.

[drunkenshoe]

I think you're all mad because racism is natural and you're unable to find reasons to justify your anti-racist sentiment.

Mos of the people here don't even agree on a race concept you follow, let alone feeling the need to justify their anti-racist sentiment. I don't know who is mad, but what I experience is despise.

People discriminate by nature. They really, really do.

Yes. Humans do a lot of things 'by nature'. By nature doesn't make something OK, because it is by nature.

If it's not for skin color, then it's for another reason. Other primates discriminate in their own ways as well.

Now, the racial differences has just become skin colour? I thought it was all 'advanced abilities' and 'super talents' for the development of humanity? As your introduction and what follows were all based on 'superiority' and inferiority'. How is a skin colour inferior to another one?

How do you justify suppressing human nature?

Who is supressing human nature here? You are offering a dystopia where people are engineered and put to jobs and duties according to their race without leaving them any choice or make a decision according to interest and dictate what they should do with their lives.

You gave an example of engineering black people from not fearing a life threatening situation to use them for manual labour. You are talking about GENETICALLY ENGINEERED SLAVES, you piece of shit.

Is this any different than, say, making a person wear a medieval device to prevent masturbation?

Meaningless drivel. And among all those examples you could give on suppressing human nature, you thought of building an anology between supressing masturbation with a mediveal tool and rejection of SLAVERY? Oh you are a freaking wet dream of a Freudian psychiatrist.

You criticize me for glorifying human nature.

I didn't critcise you. I insulted you.

Well, I say to you, the burden of proof lies with the one making the positive assertion.

Dismissed. You are claiming superiorty by race based on a bullshit idea of 'quantifying' intelligence by standardised tests. And only reason you imposing this idea is your belief in 'superiority' of your own race.

Show me why human nature magically changes and why we must tolerate cultural and racial mixing.

We do not need anything to magically change. Cultural and racial diversity is crucial to our civilisation, so we could fight back to ideas like yours that will turn humans into slaves. We need to spread tolerance to provide ground for this.

[The Atheist]

I'm not trying so sound like a d*ck, but when the Europeans when to Japan, the Japanese were appalled to find a people who only bathed once per year and who ate with their fingers. The Greeks and the Romans were excellent people; they bathed daily and the Romans even had indoor plumbing. Once Western Europe fell into the Dark Ages in the sixth century, it would be another 1,400 years before they resumed daily bathing.