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Is racism wrong?

Started by The Atheist, March 20, 2016, 05:30:27 AM

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Sal1981

Unless there's research to support OPs claim, I will just go ahead and think OP is pulling shit out his ass.

Atheon

Racism is wrong, period. End of story.
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AllPurposeAtheist

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Japanese should all be forced to become executioners ,but only get to use those fancy swords. No others need apply unless you're French in which case you get to use the guilotine. The only downside for Japanese here will be when everyone else is dead.. Executing dead people is just no fun..
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Quote from: AllPurposeAtheist on March 21, 2016, 10:48:03 AM
Japanese should all be forced to become executioners ,but only get to use those fancy swords. No others need apply unless you're French in which case you get to use the guilotine.
And if you're Mongolian, you get to pour liquid silver down people's throats.
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Poison Tree

Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
The career segregation I recommended in my previous post was only a general idea. Of course there are exceptions
And how would you identify those exception and what would you do once you identified them? Wouldn't those exception become increasingly hard to spot in a world where people were fast tracked into a career based on nothing more then their race? At what point in training all the blacks to be athletes do you recognize Neil deGrasse Tyson as an Astrophysicist? How do you ensure that the exclusively asian STEM teachers and students even give him a chance?

While I'm at it, what mechanism would enforce this entire race based jobs scheme in the first place?  How do you stop a bunch of uppity blacks from entering the STEM fields or force all the whites into business?
Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
How many brothas in the ghetto are reading Plato or doing calculus? Two? One?
Is that a result of them being "brothas" or living in the ghetto? How many China-men read Plato or did calculus after a hard day building a railroad?

Quote from: The Atheist on March 21, 2016, 02:10:33 AM
[. . .]Hitler [. . .] successful in his endeavors,[. . .] great mind, which served him so well in the military and political arenas
Because if there is one thing that people remember about Hitler it is how his personally directing military operations always lead to brilliant successes and, ultimately, victory in his wars, right?
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TomFoolery

Quote from: Atheon on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
Racism is wrong, period. End of story.

Or if you wanted a more open-minded approach...

Is racism wrong? No. Except for when it is, which is always.

Oh damn, I reached the same conclusion. Never mind.
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

The Atheist

To ensure that exceptions are found in a career-segregation system, standardized tests could be used to weed them out.

But let's cut to the chase, which is genetic engineering. The black man has a predisposition towards athletics and rhythm-dominant music (maybe because of the hunting and primitive drumming background of his ancestors). These genes can be enhanced in the black embryo, while at the same truncating the possibility of higher intelligence. In fact, if we take it a step further and breed out the fear of death and the ability to think abstractly, we could use blacks for dangerous jobs like infantry and bridge maintenance. (As a bonus, imagine how popular gladiatorial sports would be on TV. People would pay good money to see two brutes duke it out to the death.)

This is all speculation, of course. Future generations will need to wrestle with these questions and the ethics involved. My point is that career-segregation is a viable caste system. Time will only tell if it's implemented.
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Jack89

Quote from: Atheon on March 21, 2016, 10:07:47 AM
Racism is wrong, period. End of story.
Yet it stems from racial prejudice, which is prevalent throughout the world.  We pretty much take it as a given in the west that racial prejudice is wrong because we've been conditioned to think that way.  Step outside of western culture though, and you'll see a different picture.  It's a defense mechanism that I imagine is intended to preserve the status quo, to preserve tradition and culture.  which brings up another question; how much of the prejudice is cultural vs. racial? 

I personally feel that much of the discrimination we see nowadays in the US is based more on cultural differences, and not race.  The Atheist's ethnic slur, "brothas in the ghetto", or the pejorative use of redneck, which we often see on these forums, are perfect examples of confusing genetic difference with cultural.  It's the same reason SJWs call anti-Islam people racists. 

Personally, I think it's reprehensible to be prejudice against a person because of physical differences, racial traits so to speak, but it's perfectly understandable to reject certain cultural differences.  The big challenge is to differentiate between the two.  I think we're hardwired to generalize and combine them, as The Atheist has done, but it certainly causes a lot of problems when we do.  Just look at the European immigration crisis.   

drunkenshoe

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drunkenshoe

Quote from: Jack89 on March 21, 2016, 01:26:53 PM
I think we're hardwired to generalize and combine them, as The Atheist has done, but it certainly causes a lot of problems when we do.  Just look at the European immigration crisis.   

He moved to a Gattaca world entertained by the Running Man, from Hitler's 'success' and I think he is about to arrange a Long Walk for 15 old years to award the exceptions among 'the weak races', because it is a more profitable option than Super Bowl.

It is really not about anything you described above.
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Jack89

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 21, 2016, 01:41:02 PM
He moved to a Gattaca world entertained by the Running Man, from Hitler's 'success' and I think he is about to arrange a Long Walk for 15 old years to award the exceptions among 'the weak races', because it is a more profitable option than Super Bowl.

It is really not about anything you described above.
Perhaps, but if he's sincere in his views rather than just trolling, he might be more receptive to criticism if it's not sarcasm and attempts at being clever.  Just calling someone a racist does little to change their view. 

mauricio

Quote from: Jack89 on March 21, 2016, 02:21:54 PM
Perhaps, but if he's sincere in his views rather than just trolling, he might be more receptive to criticism if it's not sarcasm and attempts at being clever.  Just calling someone a racist does little to change their view. 

I tried but it does not seem to be worth my time at this point. He's like a low level stormfag. I have seen much better evidence based attempts to justify racial segregation in stormfront and like religion that's a topic i do not have much interest to delve into nowadays.

GSOgymrat

I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.

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Mike Cl

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 21, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.

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Yeah, this.  I was also wondering the same thing, especially when he labeled himself a 'sociopath'. 
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mauricio

Quote from: GSOgymrat on March 21, 2016, 02:55:13 PM
I don't thing The Atheist is trolling. Race may be the topic but The Atheist is working through something else on a public forum. When I think about how he phrased the original post, his comments about being "a sociopath" and his contributions on other topics it becomes apparent to me there is more to The Atheist than saying provocative things just to get a rise out of people, although there is an element of that.

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Have you ever gone to the /pol/ board in 4chan or 8chan? You will find people like him there. He's an alt-right guy. They have some interesting points but also a lot of bullshit. They have the dankest of memes though. I sometimes browse those boards to be exposed to dissenting opinions on controversial issues.