A Response Towards "Racist Stereotyping" of White Culture's Racism

[Shiranu]

'm honestly tired of being reminded every day that racism is around...

Oy vey...

[chill98]

lol ok. Have fun with that.

Run Away!!



ok I am done  :)

[PickelledEggs]

I'm honestly tired of being reminded every day that racism is around

Yeah. It must suck being targeted by racism every day... oh wait. That wasn't what you meant.


I'm white guy. I hear this almost every day too, that racism is still around. I already know racism is still around without the reminder. Unless someone directs it towards me, saying that I am racist because I am white, I don't give a shit. There is only so much you can do as a person. Call it what you want, turning a blind eye or whatever someone wants to call it, I have to worry about my own life. And while I'm more privileged than the muslim guy from pakistan that used to live next to me because I have lighter skin, I'm not going to beat myself up for him being discriminated against because he has darker skin or believes something else. It's just plain stupid to do that. Yes racism still exisists, yes it's not going away any time soon, but if it bothers you, you have the tools to not see it/not see it as frequently as you are. If someone is constantly sharing stuff about discrimination against african americans, unfollow them. You don't even have to unfriend them on facebook. Unfollow them. They see this racism every day because they are targeted by it. They do not have a choice of seeing/not seeing the racism. You do. It's stupid to let yourself be bothered by it if you are white.

Unless you have the time/energy to be a black rights activist and go to protests, etc. There isn't any point in getting caught up in it. That is, unless somone is a a racist, then they can go fuck themselves... lolol

[gentle_dissident]

People that commit crimes, like steal try to hold territory like gangs do are doing it not because they're bad people. They have been put in a "backed in to a corner" mindset and just trying to survive. It's upsetting really.

Sometimes the reasons for committing crimes is just because of something as simple as 'hate' or them being mentally unstable, but a lot of times it's not. Most of the time it's not.

I have a hunch that people "backed in to a corner" might 'hate' or be mentally unstable.

[PickelledEggs]

I have a hunch that people "backed in to a corner" might 'hate' or be mentally unstable.

Yes. But there are some people that hate just because they hate and are mentally unstable because they are just mentally unstable and need medication.

-Sent from your mom

[Draconic Aiur]

Yeah. It must suck being targeted by racism every day... oh wait. That wasn't what you meant.


I'm white guy. I hear this almost every day too, that racism is still around. I already know racism is still around without the reminder. Unless someone directs it towards me, saying that I am racist because I am white, I don't give a shit. There is only so much you can do as a person. Call it what you want, turning a blind eye or whatever someone wants to call it, I have to worry about my own life. And while I'm more privileged than the muslim guy from pakistan that used to live next to me because I have lighter skin, I'm not going to beat myself up for him being discriminated against because he has darker skin or believes something else. It's just plain stupid to do that. Yes racism still exisists, yes it's not going away any time soon, but if it bothers you, you have the tools to not see it/not see it as frequently as you are. If someone is constantly sharing stuff about discrimination against african americans, unfollow them. You don't even have to unfriend them on facebook. Unfollow them. They see this racism every day because they are targeted by it. They do not have a choice of seeing/not seeing the racism. You do. It's stupid to let yourself be bothered by it if you are white.

Unless you have the time/energy to be a black rights activist and go to protests, etc. There isn't any point in getting caught up in it. That is, unless somone is a a racist, then they can go fuck themselves... lolol

Not just on the internet. I live in the rio grande valley, where the majority is latino and holy balls there is racism to white people or the other way around with all these blasted conservatives. I mustve heard the word gringo many fucking times a month.

[PickelledEggs]

Not just on the internet. I live in the rio grande valley, where the majority is latino and holy balls there is racism to white people or the other way around with all these blasted conservatives. I mustve heard the word gringo many fucking times a month.

Then that's a different story then.

-Sent from your mom

[gentle_dissident]

Yes. But there are some people that hate just because they hate and are mentally unstable because they are just mentally unstable and need medication.

it's because of a more complex issue that has me, if anything, sympathize.

[Blackleaf]

I would ask that people on this particular thread go and take a test... only five minutes of your time.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

Take the IAT on skin tone and report back, it you are not afraid of the results.

I show a moderate preference for light skin tone... how about you?

Why do I ask you to do this - because everyone has a bias... it is natural.  You just don't know it... or are in denial.

Of course bias is natural. I don't need to take the test to know that. There's even a well-known study involving children, who were given a white and black doll, which were identical aside from their skin color. They were asked which was "the good doll," and various other questions. Both the white and the black children showed a positive bias for the white doll. Racism is deeply rooted in Western society.

The good news, though, is that blatant racism is becoming less common as it becomes increasingly socially unacceptable to show racism. Some white people are even so careful not to appear racist that they would show less aggression towards black people than they would other whites, according to other studies. Even when the automatic response is that of racist preference, people have been shown to correct, or even overcorrect themselves. Until society gets to the point where racism isn't ingrained into us starting from childhood, that's the best we can expect of people. You can't undo your instincts, but you can fight against them.

[mauricio]

What Western media constantly does to Muslim people, refugees, without any discrimination or MRAs and SJWs do, doesn't get this response from you, marucio.

You are happy with that because you agree with them and support it. You are not happy with Kendrick because it offends you. On the other hand there is no such dynamic between racists and anti-racist or black and white people as the one between SJWs and MRAs which hasn't even existed for a decade yet. I'm not offended by them. I see where are they coming from, but do not approve their game because it is a childish game between two groups only in the internet. And I also even believe in the long term something good can come of that.

This is demagogy. You are defending that angry people stop lashing out about racism and hatred they experience, because it instills hatred, in a white forum.

People on this forum are offended by anything that is NOT white or male. And calling it hateful rhetoric, the political side behind it regressive. Pretty much like Christian Right Wing.

what are you talking about i always criticize hyperbole and try to find the valid points or get to the underlying concepts. This has fuck all to do with offense. Offense is a meaningless thing to me i do not even know what being offended feels like. I just see things that are illogical, unreasonable, debatable or factually wrong and call bullshit.

You are not addressing anything of what i have said.

BTW This "anti racist" groups like BLM are very much part of the whole SJW issue and they base alot of their "activism" on social media bullshit.

[mauricio]

"People on this forum are offended by anything that is NOT white or male."

What does this even mean? If anything is demagoguery is this kind of meaningless tripe you write

[Sargon The Grape]

Sometimes when I'm serving black people at the fuel station, I feel like you could cut the racial tension with a knife. I don't know which (if either) of us is causing it, but I do wish it would stop. If I knew there were something I could do to help resolve racism, I would do it in a heartbeat. However, the social justice movement's position is that it's "not our job to educate you," despite my having taken social science classes and possessing a decent (if not perfect) understanding of their arguments. I'm of the mind that I'd rather associate with someone I disagree with who nevertheless is willing to engage in some healthy discussion, than be seen with a group of dunderheads with whom I theoretically agree. As such, it infuriates me when I see all of the stupid shit done in the name of social justice. Get attention, sure; but once you have that attention, it's time to stop yelling and start explaining yourself.

[mauricio]

Sometimes when I'm serving black people at the fuel station, I feel like you could cut the racial tension with a knife. I don't know which (if either) of us is causing it, but I do wish it would stop. If I knew there were something I could do to help resolve racism, I would do it in a heartbeat. However, the social justice movement's position is that it's "not our job to educate you," despite my having taken social science classes and possessing a decent (if not perfect) understanding of their arguments. I'm of the mind that I'd rather associate with someone I disagree with who nevertheless is willing to engage in some healthy discussion, than be seen with a group of dunderheads with whom I theoretically agree. As such, it infuriates me when I see all of the stupid shit done in the name of social justice. Get attention, sure; but once you have that attention, it's time to stop yelling and start explaining yourself.

The thing is the worst examples don't have good arguments they just have word salads where they corrupt the meaning of social science terms. They use social constructs to mean something is not real and artificially imposed by some hated outgroup. They use cultural relativism to mean that inmoral and illegal actions can be allowed when you are non-white. They try to use privilige as ad hominem to dismiss your argument. They use cultural relativism to reject reason and scienctific research as valid ways to address problems and inspect reality because it is part of the western imperialism. That kind of bullshit is what i oppose not sensible and evidence based discussions of racism. For example some months ago there was an excellent and very detailed report of group of cops who had white supremacist ideologies and conspired to plant drugs on black teens for years. Every claim of that report was backed up by evidence. They were true white supremacist with group meeting and the toxic rhetoric. And they did conspire to frame innocent black people because they were assumed to be criminals because they were black so even if they had nothing on them they planted it. The report had many of their private communication and other evidence to prove it. This is completely different to BLM people calling everyone and their dog white supremacists just because they do not bend the knee before their unreasonable angry selfs.

I would like to know more about this racially tense situation you describe. What exactly happened and what were you feeling and why?

[gentle_dissident]

I had never experienced racial tension until lately. Sorry, explaining it is long and painful. Fortunately, they're my new duplex neighbors. Those are the only type of neighbors I've wound up talking to in this neighborhood. It's like people tolerate each other around here on a door to door basis. People go through extremes here to deal with that constant reminder of death we surround ourselves with, adorning our fast environment with skull art. People are immersed in media culture. There are multiple "escapes" available. If you and your neighbor can agree on at least 1 escape route, there's a cultural connection.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vaN01VLYSQ

[drunkenshoe]

"People on this forum are offended by anything that is NOT white or male."

What does this even mean? If anything is demagoguery is this kind of meaningless tripe you write

Sorry, it didn't strike me that you don't understand the definition of demagoguery and cannot place the mainstream reaction in this forum in to the demographic picture of your country. Pretty much what we get here about every issue. Demagoguery is an appeal to people that plays on their emotions and prejudices rather than on their rational side. People here have natural prejudice and bias -like you- against racial and gender groups because they belong to the standard which these groups raise their voices against.

Hence, we arrive back to the "Being offended by anything that is NOT white or male". It's the demographics of the forum. So demagoguery, in essence is supporting the mainstream ideas by appealing to the inherent differences and emotions here.

what are you talking about i always criticize hyperbole and try to find the valid points or get to the underlying concepts.

This is from a poster who treats SJW-MRA war exclusive to one culture like a crucial threat to human rights issue of humanity -by insulting women- and the main factor which determines feminism in the world overall.

Self awareness please. Intelectual honesty please.

This has fuck all to do with offense. Offense is a meaningless thing to me i do not even know what being offended feels like. I just see things that are illogical, unreasonable, debatable or factually wrong and call bullshit.

This is all about offense and getting offended.

You have bought a 'product' (MRA) that gave you and identity and a side without any real life experience of any discrimination against your gender or race. The is the very reason that this just offensive to you, because without any real life exp IT'S A LEARNED BEHAVIOUR, LEARNED REACTION from a sold position. Again self made-self sold product. Pretty much explains the MRA movement and why it has to RELY ON SJWs and nothing independent actually producing something by itself.

AGAIN, if I SWJs magically disappeared from the face of the earth, there wouldn't be any MRAs left in due time. Will male issues cease to exist? NO. Didn't they exist before MRAs? YES. Can we seperate female-male issues from each other? NO. But for some reason it has always been dandy out there for our white boys until the annoying girls started to scream their head off.

It's about getting offended and annoyed by the general attack to the white het male; the standard. Which is perfectly natural and inevitable; had to-has to happen eventually AND that is what's happening.

You are not addressing anything of what i have said.

Oh yes I have. You just don't agree with them and don't lke it. You skip entire posts of mine or tweak lines take them out of their context and pour down how you feel about them when you feel like it while I am trying explain what is my opinion to you or the reasoning behind it. All you are doing is describing how you feel. And all your reaction shows how offended you are wether you are aware of it or not. Tough.

BTW This "anti racist" groups like BLM are very much part of the whole SJW issue and they base alot of their "activism" on social media bullshit.

The only reason for you to see it that way could be that with your age and experience of online activism you only know SWJ-MRA dynamic and you live in it MRA identity; side which gives you a tunnel vision and provides a category for any kind of activism. Again, "a self made-self sold product". You bought the product and you are selling it yourself and others. And what you haven't bought just is the 'wrong product'. You don't like its marketing while you fell for the same marketing with your own.

How is it possible otherwise that you completely enjoy every offensive, hostile, hate spreading bullshit those MRAs vomit and make absurd excuses like 'you'll find genius in trash, oh he got better' just because you made it a part of your identity, but when it is about another issue that you cannot register the emotional part of it, it is suddenly so 'wrong' and angry reactions should be toned and call down. Pffft.