"I wouldn't date a ___"

[drunkenshoe]

No. I made my point exactly as it is. Reality. It has nothing to do with how "I" see it. It is what it is, and to suggest that because some gal once let a guy fuck her when she had no interest in him either emotionally or sexually is the same as a preponderance of women who chase a guy who has no interest in her and then beds him hoping he will, when he won't, is quite a stunning admission of who really has no grasp on the dynamics of the sexes you proclaim to be so proficient in.

All of your understanding on some score between genders and who is winning. It doesn't mean anything. I am trying to explain you that the bad boy thing is some sort of a fantasy of some women that satisfies them. That's it.

And that there is no difference between those women doing this and men doing something else to get satisfied. None of it is putting one down and another up. Making one crazy/stupid and other sane/clever.

Dynamics of the genders work regardless of what people desire, aitm. That dynamic does not stop those women desiring bad boys and will never stop. Probbaly that is the very reason it enables/necourages them as you mentioned before.

[drunkenshoe]

So if you don't disagree with his facts, why continue to argue? He's barely (if at all...) is saying how he views it. And even if he is saying how he views it, if someone says another person's viewpoint is wrong and their own is right... is falicious.

If you are saying the same thing as aitm. There is no need to argue. But if you continue to argue, you have to understand where people think you are implying something else. That goes back to my "you should have quit when you weren't behind" comment.

No, we are not saying the same thing. We are saying different things about the same thing. I feel the need to argue because he is making an evaluation of the situation with that view point I think is wrong to apply with his standards.

He is talking about what apples do, in terms of what oranges would not do. 

I also don't see what is wrong with arguing about this, about relationship of men and women. What's wrong with it?

[aitm]

All of your understanding on some score between genders and who is winning.

What? Who is winning? What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with winning? Seriously?

I am trying to explain you that the bad boy thing is some sort of a fantasy of some women that satisfies them. That's it.

Fantasy? Really? Well, I ain't buying it, but you are welcome to keep selling it.

That dynamic does not stop those women desiring bad boys and will never stop.

Well, that was the intent of my very first post. And that some women can be stupid because of that. See, it only took us 4 pages to get back to my first point.

[drunkenshoe]

What? Who is winning? What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with winning? Seriously?
Fantasy? Really? Well, I ain't buying it, but you are welcome to keep selling it.
Well, that was the intent of my very first post. And that some women can be stupid because of that. See, it only took us 4 pages to get back to my first point.

You are not the target group, you don't need to buy anything. A lot of women do. And always will. This is desire. See we jumped at my point in a second. (By winning I mean two things: your way of looking at those women's bad boy obsession and how you see it in numbers.)

Apples and oranges. There is no meaning in saying what apples are doing in terms of what oranges would not do. This is what you are doing.

People are being stupid about a lot of things. This is desire and sexual attraction. Nobody is being extra stupid than the old usual.

[aitm]

so........................does that mean yer not coming over?

[drunkenshoe]

so........................does that mean yer not coming over?

Nope. But you can always send me tickets so I could visit Grand Canyon. 

[mauricio]

Women are not different than men.

Mm what? Sexual dimorhpic species, sexual selection, reproductive strategies, observable psychological and behavioral differences, sexual hormone levels and its effects on psychology and conduct. There's differences between women and men from the basic level of their biology to their psychology and the culture. They have been studied. Things like testosterone being 9 times higher on males and the correlation of testosterone with decreased risk aversion in both women and males. Theres studies about differences in sex drive in which males score higher in tons of different parameters. There's a studies about differences in financial decision making associated with increased concentration of testosterone in the saliva of both women and males. The differences between sexual reproduction between males and females across multiple species are well stablished. Due to the resource investment difference between pregnancy vs insemination. Gender roles have been built from the most basic level of biological and material constraints in our ancient past to hundreds of thousands of years of tribal culture, only to start changing significantly into its moderm form in the most recent times due to cultural and technological changes which ultimately have not changed our biology but just rerouted our impulses. Birth control did not set us free from our impulses born out of our ancient sexual strategies. It just rerouts this impulses or makes them express themselves in different ways because now we have control over some of the mechanics of our body.

[Nonsensei]

Oh come on. You used to get furious because of a few women after ratings in a tv show laughed about castration of a man. Remember? I also saw you writing the 'white cis gender male'...blah blah routine somewhere around here.

Have you changed that much? Kudos, if you have. I'd be glad.

Hmm.

Well I haven't changed my opinion on that segment of the View. I think its pretty reprehensible to laugh at a guy getting his dick cut off and describe the event as "marvelous", and yeah I do think theres an undeniable double standard when you think about what the public's reaction would be to a bunch of guys getting together on TV and laughing about FGM or something.

As to the white cis thing, it was really more a comment about how I'm not a homosexual rather than a reference to gender issues as right before that I said I would not date a man. I haven't experienced direct real life discrimination that I am aware of, but I have definitely been called a white CIS male in real life. I don't think that really counts as discrimination since it amounts to childish name calling.

When it comes to being denied a job or something like that because I am a white heterosexual male comfortable with my gender, that sort of thing has never happened. As far as I know. Lots of discrimination goes undetected by the victim. For example, I am like a 4 or 5 out of 10, not a really handsome dude by any means. Additionally, I am broad shouldered and tall. So when women see me walking past them in a hallway some of them get nervous like im going to try something. Is that gender discrimination? I dunno, since I can't read their minds. But I was slow on the uptake so it took me about a decade to begin noticing it.

Anyway, I think this entire discussion is silly. SJW's are irrelevant. They may not stay irrelevant but chances seem high. People letting themselves get inflamed and forming world views based on what the dunces of the internet are spewing is ridiculous.

[mauricio]

Hmm.

Well I haven't changed my opinion on that segment of the View. I think its pretty reprehensible to laugh at a guy getting his dick cut off and describe the event as "marvelous", and yeah I do think theres an undeniable double standard when you think about what the public's reaction would be to a bunch of guys getting together on TV and laughing about FGM or something.

As to the white cis thing, it was really more a comment about how I'm not a homosexual rather than a reference to gender issues as right before that I said I would not date a man. I haven't experienced direct real life discrimination that I am aware of, but I have definitely been called a white CIS male in real life. I don't think that really counts as discrimination since it amounts to childish name calling.

When it comes to being denied a job or something like that because I am a white heterosexual male comfortable with my gender, that sort of thing has never happened. As far as I know. Lots of discrimination goes undetected by the victim. For example, I am like a 4 or 5 out of 10, not a really handsome dude by any means. Additionally, I am broad shouldered and tall. So when women see me walking past them in a hallway some of them get nervous like im going to try something. Is that gender discrimination? I dunno, since I can't read their minds. But I was slow on the uptake so it took me about a decade to begin noticing it.

Anyway, I think this entire discussion is silly. SJW's are irrelevant. They may not stay irrelevant but chances seem high. People letting themselves get inflamed and forming world views based on what the dunces of the internet are spewing is ridiculous.

SJW speech is generally worthless but the ideas in the background from where they spawned are interesting. The debate of social constructivism vs evolutionary psychology and similar evolutionary fields. The nature vs nurture conumdrum. The differences between different schools of thought in feminism and social justice advocacy fields and the differences between its mainstream perception and actual gender theorist's ideas.the history of the movements. The postmodernist relativism of truth vs the scientific descriptive and objective truth. Patriarchy vs gynocentrism. Etc.

[drunkenshoe]

Hmm.

Well I haven't changed my opinion on that segment of the View. I think its pretty reprehensible to laugh at a guy getting his dick cut off and describe the event as "marvelous", and yeah I do think theres an undeniable double standard when you think about what the public's reaction would be to a bunch of guys getting together on TV and laughing about FGM or something.

I definitely agree. It's disgusting. But two points here in my opinion: 1. Don't let a bunch of show business characters shape your opinions about basic things. 2. If you do, consider what the show business have in store with other side -from commercial to porn- that disturbs them that you may not even recognise at most times. Obviously, your example is very easy to recognise and trust me most women agree with you.

As to the white cis thing, it was really more a comment about how I'm not a homosexual rather than a reference to gender issues as right before that I said I would not date a man. I haven't experienced direct real life discrimination that I am aware of, but I have definitely been called a white CIS male in real life. I don't think that really counts as discrimination since it amounts to childish name calling.

When it comes to being denied a job or something like that because I am a white heterosexual male comfortable with my gender, that sort of thing has never happened. As far as I know. Lots of discrimination goes undetected by the victim. For example, I am like a 4 or 5 out of 10, not a really handsome dude by any means. Additionally, I am broad shouldered and tall. So when women see me walking past them in a hallway some of them get nervous like im going to try something. Is that gender discrimination? I dunno, since I can't read their minds. But I was slow on the uptake so it took me about a decade to begin noticing it.

I see. But yes with men there is that traditional perpetrator bullshit. If you are a big man, you are seen as an automatic threat. We could write a lot of things about how males get discriminated and those would be tied to females closely in a completing form.

Anyway, I think this entire discussion is silly. SJW's are irrelevant. They may not stay irrelevant but chances seem high. People letting themselves get inflamed and forming world views based on what the dunces of the internet are spewing is ridiculous.

I agree. My whole point. But I'll say again; SJWs-MRAs war will have positive sides in the long run, before it dies out. It will provide benefits for both men and women. You are young, you'll see.

[drunkenshoe]

Women and men are not different in many aspects and they are very different many other, do you people need this to be pointed out in every topic about genders? Or just when a convenient strawman thrown by a one line pulled out of its context ?

Every time we are talking about a behavioural pattern with women, I am reading posts interpreting those behaviours with male standards/goals by people who are supposedly reject that their society is shaped to/by het male standards. Make up your mind.

Apples are not treated to be as vegetables in a fruit land, just because they do something oranges wouldn't do.

[Nonsensei]

Women and men are not different in many aspects and they are very different many other, do you people need this to be pointed out in every topic about genders? Or just when a convenient strawman thrown by a one line pulled out of its context ?

Every time we are talking about a behavioural pattern with women, I am reading posts interpreting those behaviours with male standards/goals by people who are supposedly reject that their society is shaped to/by het male standards. Make up your mind.

Apples are not treated to be as vegetables in a fruit land, just because they do something oranges wouldn't do.

This analogy amuses me, if only because I recently read that from a scientific standpoint there are.no such things as fruits. They are all vegetables.

[PickelledEggs]

I would argue that MRAs are in a sense SJWs...

[drunkenshoe]

This analogy amuses me, if only because I recently read that from a scientific standpoint there are.no such things as fruits. They are all vegetables.

That's more convenient actually.

But just for the sake of sticking to my analogy, I'll say, in a world fruits exist along with veggies, women are treated like tomatoes. :PP  (I mean they are treated like veggies while they are actually fruits.)

[Blackleaf]

This analogy amuses me, if only because I recently read that from a scientific standpoint there are.no such things as fruits. They are all vegetables.

Really? In my botany class in college, I was taught that fruits were things that come from flowers and have seeds (or some other reproductive object), hence why tomatoes are a fruit. Reducing everything to vegetables seems a bit too simplistic to me.