"I wouldn't date a ___"

[aitm]

What aitm saying is exactly the stuff out of a male Cosmopolitan. "I fucked 200 women they are all suckers for assholes, bros. Let's go."

(Making a generalisation for the sake of the argument) What I am saying is that women are doing the same thing with men. Men are going after women who treats them that way ALL THE TIME. It's almost accepted that women cuold treat men the way he describes. It's just perfectly OK to chase that ass when you are a man, but it is 'hah women go after pretentious bad boys who are out to fuck them' when they are women. The things men buy into, also pretend to buy into, the things they do/put up just to get into women's pants can get pretty fucked up .... which is nothing wrong if that's what they want. There is nothing stupid or wrong with what women want to live also. The fantasy is different. It doesn't become baaad, because it is a woman and you don't find the fantasy attractive yourself.

This is a control mechanism as always. Another bullshit way to repress first women and then men.

You think it is more harmful to women? Why? Are the children? Stupid? Sorry, they are not, just because you don't like it. That's because what you are progrmmed to think about them because of their gender and th eplac eof that gender in society. I'm not sure if you are even aware of it. That's because of the traditional set of norms. It's OK when men do it; they do it everything for what they want anyway, but bad and sad when women do. Why? Man is a standard, that doesn't fit women. Pffft.

Guys, you really treat women as if they are some completely different alien species, anything but ordinary humans. It's fucked up. Then you complain about angry feminists. Myeh.

How actually does your brain process me talking about how women seem to have a heavy leaning towards bad-boys over nice guys to that....er....rant of ..whatever the hell that was?

[drunkenshoe]

How actually does your brain process me talking about how women seem to have a heavy leaning towards bad-boys over nice guys to that....er....rant of ..whatever the hell that was?

It's not actually a rant.

I am saying that what you define as 'some women leaning to bad boys' thing is not something different than men chasing 'bitches', 'sluts', 'brightest bulb in the tree'...etc. all kind of women they want and desire.

When a woman makes it diffcult for a man and 'make him crawl' as it were, it looks very normal to you, because it is expected. But when roles change in a fantasy that doesn't work for you, it is suddenly stupid because they are women. It's not.

I may not like, Jane and Mary may not like it but a lot of women like it. They are chasing, playing along, dream about, get something out of it, they get drama. It's nothing more or less than a usual foreplay and fantasy.

Some men want a woman to be warm before everything. Some want her to be intelligent, some just want a good body doesn't matter what the character is. This is exactly the same thing.

And you are calling women stupid, just because you cannot put them in that role.

OK? Peace.

[aitm]

I am saying that what you define as 'some women leaning to bad boys' thing is not something different than men chasing 'bitches', 'sluts', 'brightest bulb in the tree'...etc. all kind of women they want and desire.

I disagree with your understanding of this, men chasing "bitches" as you say have no intention of trying to establish a relationship, whereas the women chasing the bad boy seem to hope that they alone can change the guy into a better person for a relationship. This is what I have seen far more times than I can recall.

When a woman makes it diffcult for a man and 'make him crawl' as it were, it looks very normal to you,

Well, no it doesn't, I have never experienced that.

But when roles change in a fantasy that doesn't work for you,

I don't have a clue what this is about.

Again, it seems that in this country women chase the bad boy, seeing something special that is not there simply because he acts that way. I have pointed out this behavior to my daughter in some of her previous "affairs" that this guy expects you to crawl to him, if the guy is interested in you, he will come to you.

And you are calling women stupid,

No, again no. Sometimes you do go off in different directions from the conversation. I have really no idea how you pull all of this out based on a simple observation. I think you would fare very well in the illumnati.

[stromboli]

Aitm, do you get the notion that there are people on the forum debating stuff about life experiences that haven't had any themselves? By all means, carry on.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

A few people who I cross off my list right away..
Don't drink coffee?  You need to be shot at least once a day and twice on Sunday..
People who think winter and cold weather are great.  I'm sorry..I've come very close to freezing to death more than once in my life. You like snow and cold? Send me a post card..
People who think eating certain foods are worse than death..example: I'd rather starve to death than eat lima beans! Well let's test that theory. How about I tie you up for a week with no food or water with a big plate of lima beans in front of you. The kicker? One bean will be poisoned.. You'll just have to figure out which one..
Anyone who was ever an ex of mine.. You know who you are..
People who think certain cars are so horrible they would never ride in one.. I bet if they were stranded out on a lonely hiway in below zero weather dressed to go to the beach they'd get in my rusty old pickup truck..
This is just my short list, but I have a much longer list and the ultra religious happen to be on it..

[Shiranu]

Well, guess me and APA won't be going on any dates anytime soon.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Aitm, do you get the notion that there are people on the forum debating stuff about life experiences that haven't had any themselves? By all means, carry on.

I have it on good authority that people who don't know jack shit are knowledgeable about everything they know absolutely nothing about..

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Well, guess me and APA won't be going on any dates anytime soon.

Well DAMMIT! My life sucks suddenly.. Well, maybe not that bad..

[drunkenshoe]

I disagree with your understanding of this, men chasing "bitches" as you say have no intention of trying to establish a relationship, whereas the women chasing the bad boy seem to hope that they alone can change the guy into a better person for a relationship. This is what I have seen far more times than I can recall.
Well, no it doesn't, I have never experienced that.

I don't have a clue what this is about.

Again, it seems that in this country women chase the bad boy, seeing something special that is not there simply because he acts that way. I have pointed out this behavior to my daughter in some of her previous "affairs" that this guy expects you to crawl to him, if the guy is interested in you, he will come to you.

No, again no. Sometimes you do go off in different directions from the conversation. I have really no idea how you pull all of this out based on a simple observation. I think you would fare very well in the illumnati.

I don't think you understand this AT ALL. You see your daughter's relationships through the 'shapes' of your fantasies with the opposite sex. In that frame. This is funny. And you think it is something negative because she doesn't experience it the way like you do.

What you are describing for yourself up there is exactly what 'leaning towards bad boys' mean for some women. It's their version of whatever they want. Just because your 'fantasy' and its 'rules' for a man are different, you cannot put boundaries; right or wrong to this or negative and positive. Well you can, but it doesn't affect the outcome.

Men chase women for any reason. They get them or not. Women do the exact same thing. They getthem or not. If they want to chase a man, they will. For any reason. There is no such thing as they 'should' behave in a certain way to get whatthey want because a man would act this way...etc.

Women are not different than men. People like to think that way, because traditional norms demand it. This actually never happens, women always act the way they like behind everything. It's just when it happens in a way people watch  -like you- they tend to define it as something undesired or out of the norm. That's all.

What they feel/live with the chase is exactly the same as yours; just different fantasies and different things.

[drunkenshoe]

Aitm, do you get the notion that there are people on the forum debating stuff about life experiences that haven't had any themselves? By all means, carry on.

Like a man (aitm), telling a woman (drunkenshoe) how women tend to think/feel/act/behave when chasing a man, because he thinks they want something else, but always get the other?

Hmm. Yeah, right.

[aitm]

and different things.

It's like talking about cars and she responds talking about rabbits. Hey, whatever you want to go on about, go right ahead. I'm getting off the ride.

[drunkenshoe]

It's like talking about cars and she responds talking about rabbits. Hey, whatever you want to go on about, go right ahead. I'm getting off the ride.

I hate it when you do this, aitm. I am trying to explain something to you with all my sincerity. And you ALWAYS dismiss it as something crazy.

I am not going to have a converstion with you again. I hope you are happy.

[aitm]

And you ALWAYS dismiss it as something crazy.

Well, maybe because I was discussing a rather common practice, observed many times, among many women and you come back talking about me having some kind of a fantasy or fetish or whatever and fucking 200 women and  gender roles and then my eyes glaze over and I have no idea how it relates.

[aitm]

...............and besides, I've "fucked" far more than 200...  :P~

[drunkenshoe]

Well, maybe because I was discussing a rather common practice, observed many times, among many women and you come back talking about me having some kind of a fantasy or fetish or whatever and fucking 200 women and  gender roles and then my eyes glaze over and I have no idea how it relates.

Forget all of that. You misunderstood me completely.

That kind of man chasing you observed with your daughter means the same with what you -men- have with other women for a lot of women in a different way.

OK?