72 virgins? For real dude?

[Jmpty]

Any muslims here? I've always wondered... do you really believe, no, I mean do you really believe that once in Paradise you will have 72 virgins(we don't know which sex btw...) waiting for you there? Is that Paradise for you? Nothing else? What do the women get then? Nothing? Is that all your "god" can offer his followers? Not to mention the obscenity of that gift.

Please... if you don't want to become christians, at least become atheists; because they will have it far better than you during the tribulation.

Tribulation? For real, dude?

:rollin:

[Colanth]

No, you said, "If people believe in something, to them it is possible", which says that "possible" is determined by belief.

For the fourth time.

"If people believe in something, to them it is possible

And for the fourth time, that's incorrect.  Stop conflating "possible" and "believed".

Things that are real in this world, are not always exactly as people believe them to be.

Do you understand now?

That you don't understand the difference between "possible" and "believed"?  Yes.  "Real in this world" relates to "possible", "people believe" doesn't.  Something that's not possible is not possible no matter how many people believe that it is.

[Colanth]

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was older and at a mature age upon marriage.

So what?  If she wasn't, they're wrong.  (And if they're right the Koran is wrong.)

[Belial]

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was older and at a mature age upon marriage.

So what?  If she wasn't, they're wrong.  (And if they're right the Koran is wrong.)

How so?

Good job quote mining btw, you know what I meant based on the 100 other things i said around it. Just take the one little fragment of a statement, and ignore all the rest so you can make an argument hahaha.  

I already know that some people in this discussion understand what is going on here.

Ill just twiddle my thumbs and eat my popcorn until you figure it out.  

[Colanth]

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was older and at a mature age upon marriage.

So what?  If she wasn't, they're wrong.  (And if they're right the Koran is wrong.)

How so?

As in 2 contradictory claims can't both be true.

Good job quote mining btw, you know what I meant based on the 100 other things i said around it.

Making a false assertion, then claiming that you didn't mean what you claimed, doesn't go over very well here.

[baronvonrort]

Here are some facts, that do not contradict eachother.

Belief, does not equate to reality.

There are muslims who believe that Aisha was older and at a mature age upon marriage.

Here is another true statement....

There are muslims who do not believe in the whole 72 virgins in heaven idea.

That ought to clear up just about all of the misconceptions amongst people in this room.

The sunni/salafi/sufi muslims are the majority, they follow the Bukhari hadith,Bukhari is considered very reliable on the sunni side of Islam.

Yes you are correct there is nothing about Aisha's age in the Quran, there is nothing about stoning to death for adultery in the Quran either yet muslims still insist it is the prescribed punishment despite no mention of it in the quran.

Narrated Aisha-
The prophet married her when she was 6 years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for 9 years until his death.
//http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/67/69

 72 is the maximum number of houris a muslim could win, not every muslim will receive the full serve of houris.

[Belial]

the quran doesn't speak of aishas age, so how can it contradict a muslim who believes she is young or old?

I'll drop the childish he said she said game.

I can see while there are some intelligent atheists, clearly there  are the primitive archaic sapiens that roam these forums as well.

[Belial]

and, for baronfonvort.  That is all fine and well.  If you  want to argue sunni hadith, then sunnis may be the proper people to direct an argument toward.

[Plu]

I can see while there are some intelligent atheists, clearly there are the primitive archaic sapiens that roam these forums as well.

At least you understand our common heritage :) That puts you in a higher category than many.

So, do you have a story to tell on why you believe? You've discussed a lot but we've no real idea what your view point on the whole affair is as far as I know.

[Colanth]

I can see while there are some intelligent atheists, clearly there  are the primitive archaic sapiens that roam these forums as well.

One needn't bring a bazooka to a knife fight, especially when the blade of the opponent's knife is broken.

[Bibliofagus]

Is there any possible characteristic allah could have that you would disapprove of?

[pr126]

The problem is that some Muslims do follow the prophet's example (Quran 33:21) and still marry children in the 21st century.
When Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in Iran, he reduced the marrying age of females to 9 years. He himself married a 10 year old child.

Consequenses

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Is there any possible characteristic allah could have that you would disapprove of?

Being an atheist?

[Belial]

why was my cool amoeba taken away? :P I have some weird alien looking guy now.

Oh i have it back now nvm.

[Belial]

I can see while there are some intelligent atheists, clearly there  are the primitive archaic sapiens that roam these forums as well.

One needn't bring a bazooka to a knife fight, especially when the blade of the opponent's knife is broken.

Maybe you are right.