Independence, or else .

[josephpalazzo]

Naive,  Moi, no no no

APA  seriously man, what u on...
i think any government elected by the people of Scotland would be nothing like the tories or any other westminster party.
any govt elected in England is elected mainly by the wealthy and prosperous south of england to serve the interests mostly of the wealthy and prosperous south of england.
thats where all the money goes and fk the rest of us, including the north of england.

It's a bit naive to think that Scotland, if independent, would have only parties from the Left vying for power. In just about every country in the West, the fight for power is disputed between the Left and the Right. I doubt that an independent Scotland will escape this reality.

[Munch]

At this stage, I would be honestly surprised if the no vote won.

[stromboli]

At this stage, I would be honestly surprised if the no vote won.

I wouldn't. There is a lot of uncertainty in forging into new territory. Second thoughts about an uncertain future could change a lot of votes.

[Jason78]

I wonder what my country's flag is going to look like in the morning?

[stromboli]

I wonder what my country's flag is going to look like in the morning?

Lol. Could wind up being a white sheet. Apparently there are others that have designs on opting out
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/18/scottish-referendum-uk-areas-independent_n_5842894.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Isle of Wight, Wessex, Guernsey- this could get ugly if Scotland separates. England might wind up being a borough in South London.

[Hydra009]

I wouldn't. There is a lot of uncertainty in forging into new territory. Second thoughts about an uncertain future could change a lot of votes.

Yeah.  It's looking awfully close, with the No option with a very slight lead.

[Shiranu]

Lol. Could wind up being a white sheet. Apparently there are others that have designs on opting out
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/18/scottish-referendum-uk-areas-independent_n_5842894.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Isle of Wight, Wessex, Guernsey- this could get ugly if Scotland separates. England might wind up being a borough in South London.

Ugly? That sounds wonderful.

[stromboli]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11107463/Voter-turnout-for-Scottish-referendum-could-be-highest-of-any-British-election.html

Voter turnout for Scottish referendum could be highest of any British election

Senior Labour insiders said they were predicting turnout of 84 per cent. The highest turnout in an election since universal suffrage was granted was 83.9 per cent, in the 1950 general election.
The independence referendum was last night on track to have the highest turnout of any British election since universal suffrage was introduced as queues formed at some polling stations.
Senior Labour insiders said they were predicting turnout of 84 per cent and several councils around the country said polling stations were busy, with some seeing queues both ahead of the polls opening and throughout the morning.
Stirling Council area counting officer Bob Jack told the BBC: "There has been a steady stream of voters and we have been very busy."
In East Renfrewshire, there were queues before the polls opened this morning and a steady stream since, a council spokeswoman said. Some voters had been kissing their ballots, she added.

The highest turnout in an election since universal suffrage was granted was 83.9 per cent, in the 1950 general election.
Some 65 per cent of voters turned out in the 2010 general election, and just 50.4 per cent in the most recent elections to the Scottish Parliament.
Polling stations opened at 7am and people had until 10pm to cast their ballot, with the result expected to be known by breakfast time today (fri).
A total of 4,285,323 people were registered to vote, according to the Electoral Commission, and 16 and 17-year-olds able to take part for the first time.
Alex Salmond was joined by two first-time voters, 18-year-old Natasha McDonald and Lea Pirie, 28, at Ritchie Hall, Strichen, in his Aberdeenshire constituency, this morning.
Mr Salmond gave both women a soft Yes toy as a mascot for their vote and the trio stopped for pictures on their way into the polling station.
Despite long days of campaigning, the First Minister said he managed to get a good rest on the eve of the vote.
"I got a fantastic night's sleep, obviously there's a great deal of anticipation, it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, it's a day that everybody will remember," he said.
Alistair Darling, leader of the pro-UK Better Together campaign, was greeted by a mixture of cheers and boos as he arrived at the Church Hill Theatre in Edinburgh to cast his vote.
He said: "I'm feeling very confident. It's been a long, hard two-and-a-half year campaign, passions have been aroused on both sides, and understandably so because we are talking about the biggest single decision that any of us will ever take in our lifetime.
"But I'm increasingly confident that we will win tonight."
A group of well-wishers cheered Gordon Brown, the former Prime Minister, as he made the short trip to his local polling station.
He shook hands with No campaign supporters, as well as one Yes supporter, who were waiting for him in the mist at North Queensferry Community Centre in Fife.

I would think that the higher turn out would favor the "yes" votes, but we shall see.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Well good luck from the breakaway republic of South Carolina and though I'm an atheist I have to say GOD BLESS THE UNION.. Over here it's gonna spill over sure as shit stinks and if it does I'm going into hiding.

[Solitary]

Anything that separates from imperialist England has to be good! Good luck! Solitary

[Green Bottle]

It's a bit naive to think that Scotland, if independent, would have only parties from the Left vying for power. In just about every country in the West, the fight for power is disputed between the Left and the Right. I doubt that an independent Scotland will escape this reality.

Joseph, im not being funny honest but, it's a bit naive of you to think that i dont realise this already..
But if we vote Yes then elections will be held and if it isnt another SNP govt it could be a Scottish tory, labour, or even green govt in power, im not even thinking that far ahead , i just want the result to be Yes...

Anything that separates from imperialist England has to be good! Good luck! Solitary

Thx Solitary...


And on the evening news tonite they said the turnout could be as high as 93%

[josephpalazzo]

I wouldn't. There is a lot of uncertainty in forging into new territory. Second thoughts about an uncertain future could change a lot of votes.

It's always easier for a poor country/region to separate, since you start with very little to lose. For a developed country like the UK, of which Scotland is part of, the standard of living is comparatively high, there is more to lose, and therefore, harder to separate.

Lol. Could wind up being a white sheet. Apparently there are others that have designs on opting out
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/18/scottish-referendum-uk-areas-independent_n_5842894.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Isle of Wight, Wessex, Guernsey- this could get ugly if Scotland separates. England might wind up being a borough in South London.

Never mind that, what about Catalonia, Sardagnia, Sicily, and dozens of other regions eagerly watching this unrolling just in case one day they may want to pull this off...

[josephpalazzo]

Joseph, im not being funny honest but, it's a bit naive of you to think that i dont realise this already..
But if we vote Yes then elections will be held and if it isnt another SNP govt it could be a Scottish tory, labour, or even green govt in power, im not even thinking that far ahead , i just want the result to be Yes...

Well I was addressing your post in which you stated: "any govt elected in England is elected mainly by the wealthy and prosperous south of england to serve the interests mostly of the wealthy and prosperous south of england thats where all the money goes and fk the rest of us, including the north of england." I'm saying that an independent Scotland would face a similar problem: the wealthy Scots will get together and form a party of the Right, and if history teaches us anything, they will eventually grab power and little folks will get screwed. Now, I understand if you are voting Yes for other reasons. But this one about the wealthy folks, it's not that Scotland will be immunized against that just because it gets its independence. The struggle for power between the Right and the Left will be there, independence or not.

[Green Bottle]

Well I was addressing your post in which you stated: "any govt elected in England is elected mainly by the wealthy and prosperous south of england to serve the interests mostly of the wealthy and prosperous south of england thats where all the money goes and fk the rest of us, including the north of england." I'm saying that an independent Scotland would face a similar problem: the wealthy Scots will get together and form a party of the Right, and if history teaches us anything, they will eventually grab power and little folks will get screwed. Now, I understand if you are voting Yes for other reasons. But this one about the wealthy folks, it's not that Scotland will be immunized against that just because it gets its independence. The struggle for power between the Right and the Left will be there, independence or not.

Yes i understand what you are saying  joseph but im saying that i dont think it will be like that up here, Scottish politics just doesnt work in the same way.
Scottish and English cultures are totally different and the people here just wouldnt stand for it if the government only served the interests of a part of the country and not the whole.
But i cant say for certain what our government will be like post independence, and this is only my opinion as a scotsman and there could be some truth in what you say but in my opinion our government will be for the people, all of the people.

[josephpalazzo]

...but in my opinion our government will be for the people, all of the people.

The American constitution written in the 18th century was supposed to be of the people, by the people, for the people... and look what the country is at right now!  I guess once independence is achieved you won't have the English as scapegoats for your problems. You will have only yourself to blame. But problems you will have, and plenty of them.