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Started by chongjasmine, June 14, 2014, 04:21:59 AM

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Bibliofagus

Do you think its okay to send innocent people to hell?



Quote from: \"the_antithesis\"Faith says, "I believe this and I don\'t care what you say, I cannot possibly be wrong." Faith is an act of pride.

Quote from: \"AllPurposeAtheist\"The moral high ground was dug up and made into a walmart apparently today.

Tornadoes caused: 2, maybe 3.

Johan

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 10:52:15 PM
Yes. How do you decide what is good or what is evil?
The same way everyone else does, with my brain.

QuoteDoes the lack of an after-life frighten you?
I have absolutely no desire to exist for eternity. Anyone who does probably isn't very good at math or weighing the potential consequences of their desires.

QuoteHow do you cope with death since you do not believe in an after-life?
The same way I cope with every other fact of life that I have no power to change.

QuoteDoes lack of punishment for doing evil hinders you from doing the right thing in life?
Here is something Christians rarely understand about being a moral person. If you're only choosing to do the right thing because god will punish you if you don't, that is not being moral, that is covering your own ass. Being moral is choosing to do the right thing every time even when there is absolutely no punishment for doing otherwise.

QuoteIf there is evidence that God exists beyond doubt, will you worship Him?
I doubt it.  Any god that would command me to worship him would not be worthy of my worship. But here's a question for you. If there were evidence that god exists beyond a doubt, and that god told you to kill your only child, would you?
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

SGOS

Quote from: Johan on June 15, 2014, 07:46:17 AM

Here is something Christians rarely understand about being a moral person. If you're only choosing to do the right thing because god will punish you if you don't, that is not being moral, that is covering your own ass. Being moral is choosing to do the right thing every time even when there is absolutely no punishment for doing otherwise.

^ This

St Giordano Bruno

Where was God living before he created Heaven? 
Voltaire - "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities"

Johan

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

christy starseeker

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
I believe the bible is true.

why?



QuoteI will not drink bleach to prove my faith.



QuoteI believe they will go to hell unless they accept Jesus.

Isn't it funny that despite how much the bible cites jesus as being all loving, always forgiving and having desire to bring humanity salvation he practically forces you into his service? seriously,"I'll only save your life if you worship me,and if not you can go fuck your self and die" isn't what i'd call benevolent. if no one wants to worship you, that person is as good as dead? how the fuck can ANYONE call the biblical god good and righteous?

QuoteYes. How do you decide what is good or what is evil?

It's important to understand that good and evil are moral constructs created by humanity in order give some meaning behind their actions(my view on that...i think lol) and thus are ultimately subjective to each individual. but to answer your question i help others and do good deeds because i feel its good to do good unto others and its right to treat others as you want to be treated. i don't need to be scared into acting like a decent human being like your kind.i like to help people because it brings others happiness,not just to get a reward like most Christians do.

QuoteDoes the lack of an after-life frighten you?

this seems to imply that only heaven is the true afterlife,how do you know the afterlifes of other religions aren't the true ones and yours is the wrong one? the "lack" of an afterlife doesn't scare me because its impossible to know if it does or doesnt exist and as much as i fear dying at times,i've already accepted whatever awaits me when i pass on; be it nothingness or hell or whatever. no point panicking over what cant be controlled.
QuoteHow do you cope with death since you do not believe in an after-life?

it happens,i'm going to die,no point worrying about it,it wont change the fact that i'll die.

QuoteDoes lack of punishment for doing evil hinders you from doing the right thing in life?

I don't have to be threatened with eternal damnation to act like a fucking decent human being.

QuoteJust like you believe you are right and I am wrong.

see the thing is we have the advantage of physical evidence to back up our beliefs,you don't.

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I will still be a christian if I am born in northern Iraq. I am not born in a christian household. I suffer persecutions every now and then for my faith in Jesus. If God confined me to eternal torment, I will still think he is just.

then you are really fucking brain washed. you truly believe a god that would punish YOU for doing nothing inherently wrong just for being born in a situation beyond your control is JUST!? no BENEVOLENT FORCE WOULD EVER DO SOMETHING SO HORRIBLE WITHOUT JUST CAUSE.are YOU FUCKING high!?

QuoteSecular reason for wrongness of homosexuality: If everyone is a homosexual, the world will end.

LOL WHAT? THE END OF HUMANITY=/= THE END OF EARTH? our death,despite what humans like to think,would have little lasting impact on earth. hell,one could argue our extinction would be good for earth.

QuoteHomosexuality is against nature.

interesting. its really weird how it occurs in nature then,even weirder because you believe god made everything,and if homosexuality occurs in the natural world he technically made homosexuality. you realize some species in nature only have a single gender? theres an entire species of whiptail lizards that are completely female, and an all-male species of fish.


Mermaid

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 10:45:21 PM
I believe atheists have moral compass.
I believe they will go to hell unless they accept Jesus.
Life originated from God.
If you believe atheists have a moral compass, why the question about good and evil, and "lack of punishment"? I don't think I believe you when you say you think atheists have a moral compass. It seems as though unless people worship the God you see as the one and only true God, they have no direction and no sense of right and wrong. Am I right about that?

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 10:52:15 PM
Yes. How do you decide what is good or what is evil? Does the lack of an after-life frighten you?
How do you cope with death since you do not believe in an after-life?

The same way as everyone else. Everyone dies, religion or not.
QuoteDoes lack of punishment for doing evil hinders you from doing the right thing in life?
If there is evidence that God exists beyond doubt, will you worship Him?
To answer your question about evidence, sure, probably. But I see none. I see an incredible lack thereof.
Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 11:19:46 PM
Secular reason for wrongness of homosexuality: If everyone is a homosexual, the world will end.
But not everyone is homosexual. It's not a virus that spreads. I am a supporter of same sex marriage, my sister is married to another woman, in fact, and I haven't become infected with the Gay Virus. (and in fact, she has three children, and I don't have any--is that against God's will?). You apparently think sexuality is something we choose. Have you actually ever thought that through? Like, really really thought about what you are saying here?
And furthermore, are you saying that the world cannot exist without humans? Like, as in, we are the Only Species that matters? Do you think we are not animals, like all other species of animals? If not, why not?
QuoteHomosexuality is against nature.
What does that even mean?
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Nam

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 15, 2014, 04:15:27 AM
According to your name, you are a woman. According to your religion and holly book, you are inferior to men AND as a life long nonbeliever woman who has been able to see your kind's bullshit since she was a child, you are inferior to me. You are inferior to all the free thinkers, who are aware what they have today and how it was gained.

:arrow: As a woman you are not allowed to speak your mind or opinion according to your holly laws which are 'above' the secular ones. Secular laws gave you that right and without them it would be taken from your hands. Now, act along with your holly laws, kindly shut the fuck up and get the fuck out.

Is "holly" on purpose?

-Nam
Mad cow disease...it's not just for cows, or the mad!

Nam

Quote from: SGOS on June 15, 2014, 04:52:53 AM
I suppose dead cats just swing easier.  I've never actually tried to swing a live cat, but it could be problematic.

I once tied my cat to a ceiling fan and he threw up. I know that sounds cruel but he kept leaving dead lizards in my shoe and peed on me.

It was deserving.

;)

-Nam
Mad cow disease...it's not just for cows, or the mad!

Nam

Quote from: St Giordano Bruno on June 15, 2014, 08:29:31 AM
Where was God living before he created Heaven? 

Lilliput. I hear it's nice this time of year.

-Nam
Mad cow disease...it's not just for cows, or the mad!

Nam

Quote from: Mermaid on June 15, 2014, 10:38:55 AM
If you believe atheists have a moral compass, why the question about good and evil, and "lack of punishment"? I don't think I believe you when you say you think atheists have a moral compass. It seems as though unless people worship the God you see as the one and only true God, they have no direction and no sense of right and wrong. Am I right about that?

Correlates with the myths of "no atheists in foxholes" and "only atheists are in prison".

-Nam
Mad cow disease...it's not just for cows, or the mad!

Nam

Quote from: drunkenshoe on June 15, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
Lol, no I keep typing it that way. I don't know why. English is my second language, not using actively. They are related by the way. Holy and holly I mean. From pagan roots.

Yeah, I initially was going to make a snarky comment but, I'm new here, so I held back. It's hard to hold back.

-Nam
Mad cow disease...it's not just for cows, or the mad!

Moralnihilist

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 11:15:09 PM
I will like to convert all of you to Christ if I can. Though I know I mostly cannot.
My boobs is my secret.

Ok, since you want to convert people, lets see some evidence of whatever god thing that you believe in.
Also Id need to see some evidence of these boobs you are referring to. Pictures would be nice.

Quote from: chongjasmine on June 14, 2014, 10:52:15 PM
Yes. How do you decide what is good or what is evil?
Define good and evil

QuoteDoes the lack of an after-life frighten you?
What if you chose the wrong religion and the real god just gets more and more pissed off the more you pray to the wrong god?

QuoteHow do you cope with death since you do not believe in an after-life?
I don't fear it if thats what you are asking. If you are referring to the death of those I hold close, then I cope with it the same as you. I mourn the loss of someone.

QuoteDoes lack of punishment for doing evil hinders you from doing the right thing in life?
Nope. I live by the simple "commandment" of don't be a dick. Works pretty good so far.

QuoteIf there is evidence that God exists beyond doubt, will you worship Him?
Nope.
Science doesn't give a damn about religions, because "damns" are not measurable units and therefore have no place in research. As soon as it's possible to detect damns, we'll quantize perdition and number all the levels of hell. Until then, science doesn't care.

the_antithesis

I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
1 Timothy 2:12

Aren't you afraid of going to hell because of this thread?

Mermaid

#74
Another question for Chongjasmine:

If you think homosexuality is bad, why do you insist on involving other people in this belief? If you don't like it, fine. Don't do it. Why assume everyone else should believe what you believe? Can't you just mind your own business? You are pretty sure God exists, and I am pretty sure He doesn't. Who is right in that fundamental difference of opinion? Why would you think I should follow YOUR Bible?

I think this is the greatest mystery of religious proselytizing and bible-banging for me: Why involve others? I love the color green, but I don't insist others paint their houses green, I don't give a shit what color you paint, so why do you care what color my house is?
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR