Morality

[Contemporary Protestant]

It defines the Christian view on the human condition, kinda a tangent to morality but still an important topic

[Bibliofagus]

Please elaborate. I'm not sure I follow.

[pioteir]

I wouldn't say that christians loved their enemies during the crusades (it's not about the death toll, it's the thought that counts :) ).

I see loving your enemies rather suicidal than moral. Anyhow love your own enemies, don't love mine. I'll stay with combating them thank you.

[PickelledEggs]

Contemporary: Modern
Protestant: Christian

Ignore benno. He's a bit off and possibly just a troll. Even if he's not purposely trolling, he has offered zero things of value to this forum so far other than the reassurance that the internet needs to be restricted from some people.

[Contemporary Protestant]

Christians believe the world is broken because of sin, sin being defined as separation from God, and that through Jesus Christ we can someday be in the presence of God

This brokenness is not necessarily every negative emotion because crying isn't sinful, this brokenness is what allows evil to hurt so many lives


I would be willing to debate the crusades had more to do with fear than religion, the kings just used religion as a tool to command the masses to kill

Jesus told us to love our enemies, the crusades are not an example of that, I respect that you disagree with this

[Shiranu]

What a sad world you believe in :(.

[Bibliofagus]

Christians believe the world is broken because of sin, sin being defined as separation from God

Sounds like your gods fault then. He keeps choosing to stay well away from us.

and that through Jesus Christ we can someday be in the presence of God

I've asked before: How would this work out for Anne Frank, who worshipped this god until the bitter end? But who never worshipped your jesus?

This brokenness is not necessarily every negative emotion because crying isn't sinful, this brokenness is what allows evil to hurt so many lives

Your almighty gods allergy to this 'sin' thing - meaning his chosen absence... - seems to lead to a lot of problems.

[pioteir]

I disagree simply because christians took part in the crusades. The kings had "god given right" to rule, so when they said "go kill them heathens in the desert" good christians did go and kill a bunch of people in the name of god. Just shows how loving they were to their enemies. And it wasn't just using religion to political gains, in the bible god commands people to kill others, considered enemies, on numerous occasions so why wouldn't christians go kill some heretics in the desert.
Even if they launched the crusades merely for profit why would christians follow?

[Contemporary Protestant]

In the New Testament, killing enemies isn't justified, jesus fulfilled the old law, and the crusaders were acting against scripture, the words of Jesus to be precise

The medieval Catholic Church was oppressive and lied to the people, saying they were exempt from sins if they did this, the bible doesn't support such things

[pioteir]

What a sad world you believe in :(.

yea, when someone buys that sin crap it's easy to shove any type of thing on them just so they could reach absolution and forgiveness. If you assume there is no sin to begin with, you're free from all the guilt, shame and everything else they try to manipulate you with.

[Contemporary Protestant]

Alright, I will listen to an argument as to why the world is not broken and not in need of saving

[pioteir]

We don't argue that world is perfect and without suffering, pain and mysery. But given the fact that we are evolved species half a chromosome away from the chimpanzee it makes perfect sense the world would be as it is. Do I like it? No I don't, but there's nothing mystical about it.

[Bibliofagus]

Alright, I will listen to an argument as to why the world is not broken and not in need of saving

Why do you say this?

[Icarus]

Alright, I will listen to an argument as to why the world is not broken and not in need of saving

It's not broken, it's on a decline because of human intervention. The answer and cause is scientific innovation. Nothing about religion can help us undo some of the damage we've caused. For example; Texas is using religion as a weapon to try make billions off the oil industry, they do this by spreading lies, lies designed to keep the public from wanting regulations on carbon emissions. It's not difficult to use religion as a weapon to keep the masses blind to a problem that is literally (in the case of Texas) staring them in the face.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ_VuGZw3cY

[PickelledEggs]

Christians believe the world is broken because of sin, sin being defined as separation from God, and that through Jesus Christ we can someday be in the presence of God

This brokenness is not necessarily every negative emotion because crying isn't sinful, this brokenness is what allows evil to hurt so many lives


I would be willing to debate the crusades had more to do with fear than religion, the kings just used religion as a tool to command the masses to kill

Jesus told us to love our enemies, the crusades are not an example of that, I respect that you disagree with this

Leave it to religion to make someone think that emotions are a thought crime....