Verse 9:29

[aitm]

and i can never be mistaken now..i am certain of it.

yeap, strap a bomb on that one, it's ready.

[MitchellDaBomb]

so your main reason for believing in Allah is due to dreams you've had about him? did you read the books of Certitude and Baha'ullah before or after you started having these dreams?

The dreams came while reading the quran...and my last dream was when i first started the book of certitude

Here's how i started

Started reading the Quran (which is the key to the books of Baha'ullah meaning you have to have complete faith to find the hidden messages...by reading the Quran) about a year ago..idk why..just picked it up one day...it immediately told me what i was doing with my life...I read it over and over since the information had different meanings to me depending on how I read it..about 6 months after fully understanding most of the quran's message (It had me conclude that all the prophets were symbolic of the sun...always eternal and shining upon earth (allahs light)..which made me realize that god's word is probably still here...i found the book of certitude...which confirmed its presence as Allah(All Knowledge) with me by telling me in the first verse that this prophet was the Daystar of Truth...the sun (representing all the prophets) (so he is the most current of the lineage)...they are all men who have been imbued with the "Holy Spirit" or word....

"The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, they that thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth. They should put their trust in God, and, holding fast unto Him, follow in His way. Then will they be made worthy of the effulgent glories of the sun of divine knowledge and understanding, and become the recipients of a grace that is infinite and unseen, inasmuch as man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophets."

[Damarcus]

so your main reason for believing in Allah is due to dreams you've had about him? did you read the books of Certitude and Baha'ullah before or after you started having these dreams?

The dreams came while reading the quran...and my last dream was when i first started the book of certitude

Here's how i started

Started reading the Quran (which is the key to the books of Baha'ullah meaning you have to have complete faith to find the hidden messages...by reading the Quran) about a year ago..idk why..just picked it up one day...it immediately told me what i was doing with my life...I read it over and over since the information had different meanings to me depending on how I read it..about 6 months after fully understanding most of the quran's message (It had me conclude that all the prophets were symbolic of the sun...always eternal and shining upon earth (allahs light)..which made me realize that god's word is probably still here...i found the book of certitude...which confirmed its presence as Allah(All Knowledge) with me by telling me in the first verse that this prophet was the Daystar of Truth...the sun (representing all the prophets) (so he is the most current of the lineage)...they are all men who have been imbued with the "Holy Spirit" or word....

"The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, they that thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth. They should put their trust in God, and, holding fast unto Him, follow in His way. Then will they be made worthy of the effulgent glories of the sun of divine knowledge and understanding, and become the recipients of a grace that is infinite and unseen, inasmuch as man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophets."

so to remove all the fluff from that, I'll try to see if I understand what you are saying:

1. The Quran "spoke" to you in a way that felt like it understood your life
2. You found different meanings in the words depending on how you interpreted them
3. You decided that the prophets (I'm assuming you only mean the famous and successful ones) represent the sun (which is Allah's light)
4. You paragraph which looks to be a quote from the Quran seems to say that one who worships Allah must give up earthly comforts and trust in Him so they can be rewarded in heaven.


Have you read much of Islamic (or any other religion's) theology? How do you rationalise your beliefs when they conflict with others, what happens when someone else inteprets a passage differently to you?

But we haven't gotten to the best part yet, the dreams that you have proved that you follow the one true faith, right? I am interested to hear about what happened in them, I warn you though, we've had plenty of people claiming divine revelation here before.

[MitchellDaBomb]

so your main reason for believing in Allah is due to dreams you've had about him? did you read the books of Certitude and Baha'ullah before or after you started having these dreams?

The dreams came while reading the quran...and my last dream was when i first started the book of certitude

Here's how i started

Started reading the Quran (which is the key to the books of Baha'ullah meaning you have to have complete faith to find the hidden messages...by reading the Quran) about a year ago..idk why..just picked it up one day...it immediately told me what i was doing with my life...I read it over and over since the information had different meanings to me depending on how I read it..about 6 months after fully understanding most of the quran's message (It had me conclude that all the prophets were symbolic of the sun...always eternal and shining upon earth (allahs light)..which made me realize that god's word is probably still here...i found the book of certitude...which confirmed its presence as Allah(All Knowledge) with me by telling me in the first verse that this prophet was the Daystar of Truth...the sun (representing all the prophets) (so he is the most current of the lineage)...they are all men who have been imbued with the "Holy Spirit" or word....

"The essence of these words is this: they that tread the path of faith, they that thirst for the wine of certitude, must cleanse themselves of all that is earthly—their ears from idle talk, their minds from vain imaginings, their hearts from worldly affections, their eyes from that which perisheth. They should put their trust in God, and, holding fast unto Him, follow in His way. Then will they be made worthy of the effulgent glories of the sun of divine knowledge and understanding, and become the recipients of a grace that is infinite and unseen, inasmuch as man can never hope to attain unto the knowledge of the All-Glorious, can never quaff from the stream of divine knowledge and wisdom, can never enter the abode of immortality, nor partake of the cup of divine nearness and favour, unless and until he ceases to regard the words and deeds of mortal men as a standard for the true understanding and recognition of God and His Prophets."

so to remove all the fluff from that, I'll try to see if I understand what you are saying:

1. The Quran "spoke" to you in a way that felt like it understood your life
2. You found different meanings in the words depending on how you interpreted them
3. You decided that the prophets (I'm assuming you only mean the famous and successful ones) represent the sun (which is Allah's light)
4. You paragraph which looks to be a quote from the Quran seems to say that one who worships Allah must give up earthly comforts and trust in Him so they can be rewarded in heaven.


Have you read much of Islamic (or any other religion's) theology? How do you rationalise your beliefs when they conflict with others, what happens when someone else inteprets a passage differently to you?

But we haven't gotten to the best part yet, the dreams that you have proved that you follow the one true faith, right? I am interested to hear about what happened in them, I warn you though, we've had plenty of people claiming divine revelation here before.

If they are believers then it doesn't really matter to me...in my opinion we are all searching for the same singular truth of life...all people are.
I have read Islamic theology...unfortunately many of the Imam's who wrote the Hadiths were not all good people...like allah says in the book of certitude "many of the desert Arabs are lost believers"...since they can't recognize the next prophet...they are stuck on the "Seal of the Prophets" which meant Lineage..imo...and theres no need to warn me :) no amount of abasement could harm me or shake my faith or belief...and here is my dream log for the first dream i had..There are 3 more after this...spread roughly 3 months apart each..i took later notes too

Go to party in a very tall apartment that stretches between clouds. It takes 2 trys to get in (omg, the perceived death!) the first level has 1
side with a dj and dancing and ziplines to get across while the other side of the bottom level had some cool stoner
technician guy. He lived below the staircase to the top level which was a crystal spiral staircase. He looks like
redfoo from LMFAO. Cool stoner technician guy shows me the top level, we smoke a joint and he teaches me about the
other side of the top level and how it is off limits (high ethereal realm im guessing). Me shane and matt (IDK how shane got here) zipline to the
other side The top level was like an electronics shop with helicopters and shit. We activated all the helicopters but
I accidentally activated one that controlled them all and they went crazy...i went back downstairs to tell people, ziplinned to the
 other side of the party but it was crowded (zombbbies) so when I reached the edge I hit Gino while he is grinding with Renee, he almost falls off
but I push him back up, he thanks me...i try and maneuver around him but somehow he trips over my leg and falls off again
...as hes falling he yells "Thanks mannnnn" sarcastically..i felt kinda bad but not really..everyone jumps to try and save him but
 ends up clogging the cloud and no one falls through.....some assholes start pushing people through the cloud to kill them.
..someone pushes me in but I am the only one that managed to make it to the other side before I fall through the cloud..
...people are yelling and hating on me for it...END!!!


this was the very first dream i had that urged me to right it down...since i wrote it within my first week of reading the Quran...it has a mixture of desires in it as well...to me i interpret this dream as my transition to being faithful...hence why i was the only one out of my friends that could make it to the other side...you can interpret it however you'd like...but it is my dream after all :) id be glad to share all of the others...this one is the least important one to me and was merely a symbolic dream representing the change in my life and faith...sorry for taking up all this thread...i can pm them if youd like

[Damarcus]

wow. That's your amazing revelatory dream? That's lame. I've had talks with guys who said God personally showed them the universe in their dreams.

Does sound like an interesting dream though, but nothing beyond that. I had a dream last night where the plumbing was leaking, so I tried to clean it up, only to realise it wasn't the wall, but the roof. So I flew out the window and stopped a bank robber. Does this mean I'm destined to become a superhero?

I think you're putting too much stock in your dreams, if the other ones are really out of the ordinary, or a worth a read, pm me (we probably shouldn't derail this thread too much) I'm sure the others are more interesting, but to me, this one just sounds like a fairly ordinary dream that anyone could have, regardless of the holy books they've been reading lately.

[MitchellDaBomb]

wow. That's your amazing revelatory dream? That's lame. I've had talks with guys who said God personally showed them the universe in their dreams.

Does sound like an interesting dream though, but nothing beyond that. I had a dream last night where the plumbing was leaking, so I tried to clean it up, only to realise it wasn't the wall, but the roof. So I flew out the window and stopped a bank robber. Does this mean I'm destined to become a superhero?

I think you're putting too much stock in your dreams, if the other ones are really out of the ordinary, or a worth a read, pm me (we probably shouldn't derail this thread too much) I'm sure the others are more interesting, but to me, this one just sounds like a fairly ordinary dream that anyone could have, regardless of the holy books they've been reading lately.

Dreams are meant to be symbolic for the dreamer :) of course they are up for interpretation...and theres no point in me telling you any others if another guy has showed you his dreams about God, and it mattered not to you...

[The Skeletal Atheist]

wow. That's your amazing revelatory dream? That's lame. I've had talks with guys who said God personally showed them the universe in their dreams.

Does sound like an interesting dream though, but nothing beyond that. I had a dream last night where the plumbing was leaking, so I tried to clean it up, only to realise it wasn't the wall, but the roof. So I flew out the window and stopped a bank robber. Does this mean I'm destined to become a superhero?

I think you're putting too much stock in your dreams, if the other ones are really out of the ordinary, or a worth a read, pm me (we probably shouldn't derail this thread too much) I'm sure the others are more interesting, but to me, this one just sounds like a fairly ordinary dream that anyone could have, regardless of the holy books they've been reading lately.

Dreams are meant to be symbolic for the dreamer :) of course they are up for interpretation...and theres no point in me telling you any others if another guy has showed you his dreams about God, and it mattered not to you...

Dreams, out of body experiences, and the like are the results of your brain going full potato with neurotransmitters. They can be replicated in the lab. I enjoy my dreams, especially the ones where I'm flying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Sometimes I've had dreams that were largely introspective in nature, and they helped me gain some insight into myself, but I never considered dreams a valid source of information about reality.

[MitchellDaBomb]

Dreams, out of body experiences, and the like are the results of your brain going full potato with neurotransmitters. They can be replicated in the lab. I enjoy my dreams, especially the ones where I'm flying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Sometimes I've had dreams that were largely introspective in nature, and they helped me gain some insight into myself, but I never considered dreams a valid source of information about reality.

I don't have dreams like that anymore...haven't in months...I don't really dream..
And i guess they are neurotransmitters...but i don't think dreams would correlate just from neurotransmitters alone

[The Skeletal Atheist]

Dreams, out of body experiences, and the like are the results of your brain going full potato with neurotransmitters. They can be replicated in the lab. I enjoy my dreams, especially the ones where I'm flying, but I wouldn't put too much stock in them. Sometimes I've had dreams that were largely introspective in nature, and they helped me gain some insight into myself, but I never considered dreams a valid source of information about reality.

I don't have dreams like that anymore...haven't in months...I don't really dream..
And i guess they are neurotransmitters...but i don't think dreams would correlate just from neurotransmitters alone

If you go into REM sleep you dream. You just don't remember most of your dreams. As per dreams correlating with anything, dreams are a product of your mind contemplating various thoughts and experiences. I don't find it surprising at all that your dreams took on a religious tone after reading the Quran.
I remember reading 1984 by Orwell and having dreams of a totalitarian world.

[Plu]

It's kinda cyclical in that way. You think about something, then you dream, and your dream being your subconscious reaffirms the thing you were thinking about, and then you think you were right because you got a revelation in a dream. When really it's just your own brain telling your own brain that your own brain was right on the money.

[josephpalazzo]

When a book "speaks" to you, it's time to check in at the loony house.

[Manusia]

Who the hell is God????? There is no God but Allah. He is Allah.


If you calling "God" the satan

[kilodelta]

Who the hell is God????? There is no God but Allah. He is Allah.


If you calling "God" the satan

I beg to differ. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is greater than Yehweh and Allah put together. I know because that's what FSM told me in my imagination while eating pasta! How could it be anything else than my imagination if I was thinking of it while eating pasta! That is much more solid than whatever you said or meant. FSM FTW or GTFO! (IPU gets mad props too... but IPU will lose the war against FSM)

[aitm]

Who the hell is God????? There is no God but Allah. He is Allah.


If you calling "God" the satan

really?  you start out questioning who the hell is god then admit you know god is actually Allah and finally consent that the god you know as allah is actually satan.....


yer pretty fuckin stupid.

[Manusia]

Who the hell is God????? There is no God but Allah. He is Allah.


If you calling "God" the satan

really?  you start out questioning who the hell is god then admit you know god is actually Allah and finally consent that the god you know as allah is actually satan.....


yer pretty fuckin stupid.

oh you are lose.  I'm not fucking stupid.