Wuhan Corona virus

[Mike Cl]

A better comparison then.

In 2001-2002, after the WTC attack, Bush was preparing to invade and occupy Iran and Afghanistan.  I thought that was a very bad idea.

For expressing that position, I was told that I want Americans to die when Saddam launches nukes at the US.

20 years later, we still have the DHS, the TSA, and the USAPATRIOT Act.  Many people have died as a result of the 20 years of war (and counting).  We still have troops in the Middle East, even though they are finally FINALLY out of Afghanistan.  None of the people who led us into Iraq have apologized, or even admitted that they were wrong without apology.  I personally think many of them belong in jail, but that will never happen.

Now, when I talk about some future time when the Covid hysteria is over and people regain their senses, I am told that I want grandma to die.

they still don't equate.  One has nothing to do with the other.  9-11 attack is not a disease.  Hysteria took over immediately.  I got pissed--most everybody around me got scared.  I applauded Bush (at first) when he went after Ben Laden--then was amazed when he called off the hunt for him as we got him cornered.  Then he and his administration went after their goal from the start--oil and money for the corporations that supported him and his administration.  I agree, most of them should be in jail. 

Covid is simply a disease.  A deadly one.  In a country that valued science, the way to battle it was, and is, clear.  When had done the same for all other diseases that can be fought with a vaccination.  We go vaccinated.  No big deal.  Wear a mask as a courtesy and safeguard for one's neighbors should not be a problem.  but then, we had Trump in power and he could care less about the health and welfare of this society; only the amount of power he could amass for himself.  Those who chose his side are the one who should apologize--not those who got the shot(s) and wore/wear masks.  Those who did not should not only wear a mask, get the shots and apologize to the world for their idiocy and reckless behavior.  I don't owe you an apology, you owe me and the rest of us one.     

[Hydra009]

Covid is simply a disease.  A deadly one.  In a country that valued science, the way to battle it was, and is, clear.  When had done the same for all other diseases that can be fought with a vaccination.  We go vaccinated.  No big deal.  Wear a mask as a courtesy and safeguard for one's neighbors should not be a problem.  but then, we had Trump in power and he could care less about the health and welfare of this society; only the amount of power he could amass for himself.  Those who chose his side are the one who should apologize--not those who got the shot(s) and wore/wear masks.  Those who did not should not only wear a mask, get the shots and apologize to the world for their idiocy and reckless behavior.  I don't owe you an apology, you owe me and the rest of us one.

He initially fought the mask stuff because it would cover his pretty face (the true national disaster) and blue states were the ones suffering.  And before long, conservative outlets were preaching the mask-bad gospel (always a smart idea to have a single person set the whole party's stances, that way if he does or says something stupid, half the country follows him off a cliff), which he enthusiastically joined with that demon-sperm lady thing.  He didn't course-correct until long after the damage was done.

[Cassia]

The best thing he could have done for America---->go on a vent for three months.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Once the hysteria is over, people will rationally analyze how deadly Covid actually is.

[Dark Lightning]

There are already people doing that. It's all over the news.

[Mike Cl]

Once the hysteria is over, people will rationally analyze how deadly Covid actually is.

So, a million deaths is not enough for you?  And I'm not sure what hysteria you are talking about.

[Dark Lightning]

So, a million deaths is not enough for you?  And I'm not sure what hysteria you are talking about.

The megadeath is only in the US. Other countries have suffered far worse.

[GSOgymrat]

So, a million deaths is not enough for you?  And I'm not sure what hysteria you are talking about.

Based on what Jason posts, fascism appears to be one of his primary concerns. He believes people have, and are, overreacting to the pandemic which is fueling government overreach, restricting individual liberty, and emboldening fascist factions.

The image below illustrates that COVID-19 is a major pandemic. I think that COVID-19 will be remembered less for its death toll and more for the circumstances of the pandemic. It's one of the first major pandemics since social media has been pervasive, where people are being inundated with news, information, and misinformation. Most people in major countries are now carrying a device that is constantly notifying individuals about the pandemic with information curated by algorithms based on their interests and political beliefs rather than from medical authorities. Future historians will be writing books and dissertations about this.

[Hydra009]

Based on what Jason posts, fascism appears to be one of his primary concerns. He believes people have, and are, overreacting to the pandemic which is fueling government overreach, restricting individual liberty, and emboldening fascist factions.

Which is a little weird because he always seems to be extremely supportive of far-right marches that just happen to carry around nazi iconography.  Ever wonder why the "fascists" he complains about are always some weird boogeyman ginned up by Fox News and co rather than legit authoritarians?

[GSOgymrat]

Which is a little weird because he always seems to be extremely supportive of far-right marches that just happen to carry around nazi iconography.  Ever wonder why the "fascists" he complains about are always some weird boogeyman ginned up by Fox News and co rather than legit authoritarians?

Libertarians tend to be more absolutist regarding free speech and will tolerate extreme rhetoric that other groups won't. Libertarian and alt-right movements are both opposed to current US leadership, democratic socialism, and progressive strategies for minimizing financial, racial, and gender inequalities. As one alt-right proponent explained regarding the appeal of the libertarian movement, “People should be free to exercise complete control over their own person and property. If blacks are committing crimes, or Jews are spreading communism, discriminating against them is the right of any property owner. The fact that he may or may not miss out on good blacks or Jews is a risk he takes, and the merit of his decisions will be proven out by the market. Since a libertarian society would permit this, it seemed foolish that I should be compelled to support a democratic government policy which did not…" Some libertarians believe individuals have the right to be prejudiced against groups and to not be forced to provide services to people they don't like. That is one reason anti-government libertarians and right-wing authoritarians show up at the same protests, despite seemingly different philosophies of government.

[Shiranu]

Which is a little weird because he always seems to be extremely supportive of far-right marches that just happen to carry around nazi iconography.  Ever wonder why the "fascists" he complains about are always some weird boogeyman ginned up by Fox News and co rather than legit authoritarians?

Supporting someone's right to do something does not mean you support what they are doing.

[Cassia]

Supporting someone's right to do something does not mean you support what they are doing.

Democracy is unique in that it can literally kill itself...uh...vote itself out of existence. Democracy depends on rational, well-educated citizens who are not so easily fooled. Well, that ship has sailed for the US. Authoritarians are aware of this and there is even a step-by-step plan illustrated in Mein Kempf.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Saying it isn't as bad as, say, the Bubonic Plague, marks me as someone who thinks it is harmless and doesn't exist - even though that isn't my position.  That's why I say we can analyze the actual danger after the hysteria ends.

The facts are that if you don't have the comorbidities then you are over 99% safe.  I had it, it was a bad cold for a few days.  A coworker had it, it was a bad cold for a week.  Those who have comorbidities are being counted as Covid deaths when it is probably their main conditions that were their cause of death.  Recently Colin Powell, he was suffering from multiple myeloma and Parkinson's when he caught Covid, so Covid was listed as his cause of death.

So, if anyone is going to ask me if "a million deaths is enough", I ask them if all those million died OF or died WITH.  Then get over their hysteria.

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Supporting someone's right to do something does not mean you support what they are doing.

Truth.

I will support the right to wave a Nazi or Communist (but I repeat myself) flag, but will oppose attempts to implement Nazi or Communist (but I repeat myself) tyranny.

[SGOS]

So, if anyone is going to ask me if "a million deaths is enough", I ask them if all those million died OF or died WITH.  Then get over their hysteria.

Covid has been under reported, not over reported.  This is only one of many articles that have appeared over the past two years.

https://www.deseret.com/2021/12/27/22855752/new-investigation-reveals-underreported-covid-19-deaths

Some counties in the U.S. failed to report all COVID-19 deaths

Death investigator Wavis Jordan said his office “doesn’t do COVID deaths.” This year, his office hasn’t pronounced a single person dead from COVID-19 in the county populated by 80,000.