All lives matter?

[Shiranu]

Another thing that is a good indicator that this BLM movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Black on black crime? Ignore it.

"Another good indicator that the ALS cure movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Cancer and age killing people? Ignore it."

"Another good indicator that the LGBT movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Infidelity amongst homosexuals? Ignore it."

"Another good indicator that Bernie Sander's movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Bernie Sander's supporters causing chaos just to be dicks? Ignore it."

The reason BLM "ignores" black on black crime (pro-tip; most of the people who support BLM also support fixing issues that cause that; cultural changes, education changes, etc.)... they "ignore" it because it is not their objective to change that. Their objective is to change the way that American society views black lives as less important, and how the police view civilian lives (and that includes whites that the cause has stood up for who were victims of police brutality) and change that.

You just repeat the same thing, over and over and over and over again, and it doesn't make any more sense through repetition. It is you who does not grasp the concept of what the movement is about, and so you lambaste and lament that the cause is without any merit and just out to ruin your perfect little society.

Battle cry for dead cops in parade form? Ignore it.

Again, only if you close your ears and shut your eyes and only choose to hear and see what you want to. If you want to actually join us in reality...

http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-shooting-in-baton-rouge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/

http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/08/see-how-black-lives-matter-protesters-respond-to-sign-reportedly-advocating-violence-against-police/

http://time.com/4400330/st-paul-protests-philando-castile-black-lives-matter/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-black-lives-matter-leaders-respond/

Seriously, you are in your own little bubble, echo chamber, if people just repeating the same mantra... "Sjw are coming to destroy us! Sjw are coming to destroy us! SJW ARE COMING TO DESTROY US!" and have no actual recognition of reality around you. I mean... when you are using pr and Glenn Becks arguments to justify your position, you have reached the bottom of the barrel.

And that is what gets so fucking infuriating listening to you speak, is you stand ontop of your high horse and repeat the exact same bullshit from some stupid ass video by some hateful idiot who's only "argument" is, "You gotta fear SJWS! You gotta fear BLM! You gotta fear EVERYONE!" and then preach how rational, how non-emotional, you are. All the while you like and egg on people throwing nothing more than personal attacks while sitting back and keeping your hands clean when you can.

It's hardly a shining beacon of rationality.

We ARE white, and thus we DON'T have a clue of the situation; that is the simple reality. Yes, we can grasp it, we can conceptualize it, but we can no more "know" it then knowing what it is like to be a woman, or a transgender, or a dolphin. And frankly if someone was murdering whites or biracial people like myself at such an alarming rate, and if society as a whole was constantly telling me who I was suppose to be (and that is either a sports player or a drug dealer), etc. etc. ... you know what? I might just be pissed off too. I'm pissed off that they are going through it, so I can only imagine what it is like to live it.

[PickelledEggs]

But you say that Democrats are the only one's to save us from this ... they feed on it.

I've actually never said that. If anything, I've only said they're not as bad as Republicans.

Democrats feed on this stuff and Republicans fuel it.

Sent from your mom.

[Shiranu]

I was going to edit it in, but I'll just make it a second post...

I have been saying that for months now, that this forum is unfortunately becoming a mini Reddit or wherever "anti-SJW" like to congregate, an echo box, and if you don't share that opinion then you are emotional and ostracized.

Several valuable posters have been ran off because of that atmosphere, or at least hardly post anymore because, unless you agree with the majority, you are going to receive personal attacks for daring to have a different opinion.

It seems like that is the environment the majority desires since it has been brought up several tones and nothing has changed, and that sucks because this forum at least use to have some variety of thought.

Now it's just an echo chamber and quite frankly drunkem was right, a safe space. And when someone violates that safe place, all that projection you do reaches its fever pitch as you cry harder about it than any "sjw" I have ever seen.

[PickelledEggs]

Bring up a good point and most of us on here will take it as a good point. No one is blockiing you from stating your positions, it just so happens that a bunch of your positions, the BLM movement.... your odd love for the third wave feminism movement.... to the point where you seem like you hate that you were born white and you hate that you were born male.... it just so happens that those positions have a lot of flaws in them. They have good points, which I can speak for myself that I agree with some of the points in both of those movements.... a small handful, at least... a VERY small handful, but they are riddled with flaws, double standards, and unreasonable demands.

What I feel is the real issue here... with you, with people in general that take issue with these criticisms, is that they think an attack on a flaw, is an attack on every aspect of the position. When they identify with it so whole-heatedly, they take it as a personal attack. i.e.: you. Like how you took many of our criticisms of your position as an attack on your character.

If you are going out of your way to take criticism of something like BLM or Feminsim as a personal attack, maybe there are some other issues going on with you. It could be stress in general, it could be something completely different. My suggestion is take a breather and return to the subject with a level head, instead of emotionally kneejerking your responses. Shoe too. I know shoe is going through a lot of shit where she lives, so I try to cut her some slack. I try to cut you some slack too because I know you said recently you've been stressed and not feeling 100%.


Do me a favor, @Shiranu. Try to name a few things that are flaws in the Black Lives Matter  movement. What are some negative outcomes because this movement came about? What was the recoil? What are some negative values of the movement? Because I know you can't possibly think this movement is flawless.

[PickelledEggs]

And how's this. I'll start off and meet you half way. I'll name a few good points.

1-racism does unfortunately exist and black people are discriminated against, probably the most in this country, although if someone looks like a muslim, it's probably a tie or something... give or take.
2-there are a few bad cops. A position of power tends to attract the abusive type and there are a handful of cops that abuse their power, sometimes out of racism
3-black people do tend to be more harshly convicted/arrested for the same thing a white person would. While I may or may not agree on WHY that is, I do acknowledge that it does in fact happen.

Ok. Now you :)

[PickelledEggs]

"Another good indicator that the ALS cure movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Cancer and age killing people? Ignore it."

"Another good indicator that the LGBT movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Infidelity amongst homosexuals? Ignore it."

"Another good indicator that Bernie Sander's movement is shit, is it's absolute refusal to own up to it's flaws. Bernie Sander's supporters causing chaos just to be dicks? Ignore it."

The reason BLM "ignores" black on black crime (pro-tip; most of the people who support BLM also support fixing issues that cause that; cultural changes, education changes, etc.)... they "ignore" it because it is not their objective to change that. Their objective is to change the way that American society views black lives as less important, and how the police view civilian lives (and that includes whites that the cause has stood up for who were victims of police brutality) and change that.

You just repeat the same thing, over and over and over and over again, and it doesn't make any more sense through repetition. It is you who does not grasp the concept of what the movement is about, and so you lambaste and lament that the cause is without any merit and just out to ruin your perfect little society.

Again, only if you close your ears and shut your eyes and only choose to hear and see what you want to. If you want to actually join us in reality...

http://www.nytimes.com/live/police-shooting-in-baton-rouge/black-lives-matter-leader-calls-for-peace/

http://blacklivesmatter.com/the-black-lives-matter-network-advocates-for-dignity-justice-and-respect/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/07/08/see-how-black-lives-matter-protesters-respond-to-sign-reportedly-advocating-violence-against-police/

http://time.com/4400330/st-paul-protests-philando-castile-black-lives-matter/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-black-lives-matter-leaders-respond/

Seriously, you are in your own little bubble, echo chamber, if people just repeating the same mantra... "Sjw are coming to destroy us! Sjw are coming to destroy us! SJW ARE COMING TO DESTROY US!" and have no actual recognition of reality around you. I mean... when you are using pr and Glenn Becks arguments to justify your position, you have reached the bottom of the barrel.

And that is what gets so fucking infuriating listening to you speak, is you stand ontop of your high horse and repeat the exact same bullshit from some stupid ass video by some hateful idiot who's only "argument" is, "You gotta fear SJWS! You gotta fear BLM! You gotta fear EVERYONE!" and then preach how rational, how non-emotional, you are. All the while you like and egg on people throwing nothing more than personal attacks while sitting back and keeping your hands clean when you can.

It's hardly a shining beacon of rationality.

We ARE white, and thus we DON'T have a clue of the situation; that is the simple reality. Yes, we can grasp it, we can conceptualize it, but we can no more "know" it then knowing what it is like to be a woman, or a transgender, or a dolphin. And frankly if someone was murdering whites or biracial people like myself at such an alarming rate, and if society as a whole was constantly telling me who I was suppose to be (and that is either a sports player or a drug dealer), etc. etc. ... you know what? I might just be pissed off too. I'm pissed off that they are going through it, so I can only imagine what it is like to live it.

I didn't even see this post until just now. Never mind. I'm not talking to a reasonable person. If you're actually are going to use cancer and age against the search for the cure to ALS... you're flat out being unreasonable and irrational.

The infidelity in the lgbt community?

Really? These are your responses to that statement? I mean... really?

Are you ok, Shiranu? Like seriously... are you having another manic/depression episode or something? I'm seriously concerned for you at this point. Your responses are beyond irrational at this point. Those are really far reaches.

[Blackleaf]

[PickelledEggs]

Btw. Did I mention that this is the part of the thread where Shiranu regurgitates every bit of even slightly related rhetoric in order to defend his biases?

Oh wait. I did, but that was the other thread. Close enough.

This is the point of the thread where Shiranu regurgitates all of the semi-related sjw rhetoric he can in order to feel like he's successfully defending his biases.

Predictable.

[PickelledEggs]

I think I try so hard to have a conversation and discussion with Shiranu, is because I know he has good intentions and the potential for being a logical human being, but it sometimes doesn't work out and he lets his emotions take over...

[Shiranu]

Yes, blackleaf is my alter ego that comes out at night, fighting crime with kittens, dabs and planking.

Might want to calm your emotions down there, good boy.

[Shiranu]

Also, your response was truly riveting...

"Uh...uh... lol your stupid and insane!"

Yeah, great one. So, back on topic, why do you expect causes to address issues that are irrelevant to their movement, like cancer to to ALS or infidelity to the LGBT movement?

You realise the reason I am using ridiculous examples is to show how ridiculous your position is, right? It's not that I actually believe they should be held to that standard.

Likewise, great side step of admitting the BLM addressed the issue you raised, as they have with several "issues" you have mentioned.

You live in a precious little bubble, and it's one easily popped by reality. I know that's scary, but your lashing out like a child is not going to change a thing.

And not an inch of remorse for being one of the biggest instigators of turning this forum into a one- sided circle jerk...

[Sargon The Grape]

Well, I didn't even get to chime in before this thread went to shit.

The name "Black Lives Matter" comes from the perception a lot of black people (right or wrong) have of being treated as though their lives don't matter. It's basically crying out, "Um, hey, could you at least acknowledge us as human beings?"

The actual BLM movement hasn't done itself many favors this past year or so, though.

[Shiranu]

Well, I didn't even get to chime in before this thread went to shit.

The name "Black Lives Matter" comes from the perception a lot of black people (right or wrong) have of being treated as though their lives don't matter. It's basically crying out, "Um, hey, could you at least acknowledge us as human beings?"

The actual BLM movement hasn't done itself many favors this past year or so, though.

I agree that the movement hasn't done itself favours, but I would also argue having the entire mainstream media and society picking it apart for any and every flaw was not something that was overly helpful either. I think nearly any movement, good or bad, would be disliked if there were so many people looking to dislike it from the very beginning.

BLM, in the city I am in, has done charity work, peaceful protests, interacts perfectly fine with police, and so on. No one ever mentions that huge majority that is working just as it should be though, the only attention are on the few bad seeds who then ruin the image of the entire movement. Which has it's ironic hypocrisy cranked to 10, when you consider certain posters say you cant judge all cops because a few are "bad seeds", but apparently judging the entire BLM movement for it's bad seeds is perfectly acceptable.


If people would at least own up to their hypocrisy, I would at least respect them for that. Not even saying heyt have to change their hypocritical stance, just own it rather than acting high and mighty.


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As for the thread, apparently any thread I disagree with the norm is just going to turn into a shit-fest. I am waiting to see if PE choses to acknowledge he was wrong, or continue to scream and pout, before I decide if I want to bother with serious responses from here on out or just accept you have no intention of ever admitting you are just a parrot and let you go about you merry way. I really want to believe you are not as much of an emotional idiot as you are acting, but there are only so many personal insults I can take before I have to accept the truth that you might just be an incurable douche who just wants to fit in with the interwebs at the expense of having no sense of reality...

[PickelledEggs]

So maybe instead of getting mad at us for pointing out the flaws of the BLM movement, maybe help them improve their movement to have less flaws?

Or you can just be a meme-slinging keyboard warrior.

[PickelledEggs]

Acknowledge I'm wrong about what? I've acknowledged there are good qualities about the black lives matter movement from the start and still do. You seem to have issue with my criticism of it's toxic nature, it's negative effect on society, especially for the black community, and the rest of the flaws I point out. Just because someone points out the flaws in something, doesn't mean they disagree with every aspect of it. I disagree with the bible as a whole, but "love thy neighbor" is a good virtue.

I also named a few of the good qualities and met you half way with my request for you to point out some of the flaws. It's a flawed thought process. Are you denying that the black lives matter movement has flaws?

It's really telling that you keep saying that I'm "screaming" and "emotional" about this, when you're the one with the irrational, off topic kneejerk responses. I'll ask it again, are you sure you're not projecting?