Since atheists no longer have religion to tell us what is moral and what is not we have to decide for ourselves. We could continue to borrow religious morals but I see no reason to do so. So taking this to my most fundamental premise I can say, "I must be moral.". If that were not true, I would be a sociopath. Why is another question but not now. So taking that premise I then have to build from that. I recently experienced a moral dilemmas which has forced me back to this premise. So taking this premise I have built this statement. "I cannot willfully nor directly harm another person without just cause." I don't think I need elaborate on the possibilities that are allowed. The dilemma is this. I was placed into having to choose between two people that I love. They each wanted to have things their own way. I was forced to choose which brought me back to having to formulate that statement. What I ended up doing was explaining to them that I could not morally make the choice they requested. To do so would violate my most basic requirement of remaining moral. I then said things are to remain the same. The situation is not resolved. They are both still unhappy. But I remain moral. Did I handle this correctly or how could I have improved this?
QuoteSince atheists no longer have religion
Buddhists can be atheists.
Quote"I must be moral.". If that were not true, I would be a sociopath
More precisely, I have empathy, so I try to act in ways that do not break some variation of the silver rule. Otherwise, I'm probably a sociopath.
QuoteI then said things are to remain the same. The situation is not resolved. They are both still unhappy.
So you're bedding two women at the same time. Awesome!
You could have chosen to do nothing, and avoided the conflict altogether.
Or told them the simple truth.
You love them both and you don't want to get in the middle of this.
I want to know why it is you keep placing a generalized blanket term for anything atheists do as a generalized rule.
Morality comes from experience, growing up in a good enviroment, good people teaching us right from wrong, and figuring out for ourselves by empathy how not to be a dick to others, but also not taking shit from people that treat you like shit.
Why is what you did considered to be a 'atheist morality' question, its an invigivual question, and if you can't figure out for yourselves what happened or how you could improve it, its not on others to figure out for you.
Quote from: sasuke on May 11, 2015, 11:43:36 AM
Buddhists can be atheists.
More precisely, I have empathy, so I try to act in ways that do not break some variation of the silver rule. Otherwise, I'm probably a sociopath.
So you're bedding two women at the same time. Awesome!
No, they are two of my well grown children who are still behaving like less grown children. Perhaps I should have said that but I did not want to color the idea I was trying to convey.
Quote from: Jason78 on May 11, 2015, 02:12:01 PM
You could have chosen to do nothing, and avoided the conflict altogether.
I could not avoid the conflict and I view it as an experience I should not have avoided anyway. We would not be having this discussion if I had avoided it.
Quote from: Termin on May 11, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
Or told them the simple truth.
You love them both and you don't want to get in the middle of this.
That would have been avoiding the issue and I am glad it was not an option. What I did was to engage the issue and it seems to me all three of us have benefited and hopefully enhanced the prospects of it being resolved.
Quote from: Munch on May 11, 2015, 02:25:33 PM
I want to know why it is you keep placing a generalized blanket term for anything atheists do as a generalized rule.
Morality comes from experience, growing up in a good enviroment, good people teaching us right from wrong, and figuring out for ourselves by empathy how not to be a dick to others, but also not taking shit from people that treat you like shit.
Why is what you did considered to be a 'atheist morality' question, its an invigivual question, and if you can't figure out for yourselves what happened or how you could improve it, its not on others to figure out for you.
I am doing that not because I want to generalize atheists but because I do not want the tinted perspectives of those who are not atheist.
If morality comes from experience, that would seem to lead to a very diversified set of morals which maybe it is. I am inclined to think it is more than that.
It is an athiest morality question because we don't have a guidebook to go by. And since I wanted atheist feedback I posed it in that manner.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
I am doing that not because I want to generalize atheists but because I do not want the tinted perspectives of those who are not atheist.
If morality comes from experience, that would seem to lead to a very diversified set of morals which maybe it is. I am inclined to think it is more than that.
It is an athiest morality question because we don't have a guidebook to go by. And since I wanted atheist feedback I posed it in that manner.
Suppose you were placed in a position where you had to choose between two people whom you were very close to in which one of them had to die? Keep in mind you are an atheist so there is nothing beyond death. I am not sure how a theist would handle that.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 03:53:35 PM
No, they are two of my well grown children who are still behaving like less grown children. Perhaps I should have said that but I did not want to color the idea I was trying to convey.
Ground the both of em :)
Quote from: Termin on May 11, 2015, 05:36:07 PM
Ground the both of em :)
If I were to do that, I would have to ground half the world along with them. :-)
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Since atheists no longer have religion to tell us what is moral and what is not we have to decide for ourselves.
No one, atheist or otherwise has ever required religion to tell them what is moral and what is not. Everyone, including theists, makes up their own minds about what is moral and what is not and always has. If this weren't the case, we would today be living in a world where it was completely ok to sell your own daughter as a sex slave, or completely ok for any man to rape a young girl so long as he then purchases that girl from her family for about $850 and marries her. We would also be living in a world where any man considered to be righteous would offer his own virgin daughters up to be raped by an angry mob if said mob was intent on having gay sex with that man's house guests.
This religion gives us our morality myth is bullshit and it always was. We all choose our own morality. Even if we choose to align our morals with the parts of the bible we've decided we like, we're still each of us making up or own minds.
Quote from: Johan on May 11, 2015, 08:01:22 PM
No one, atheist or otherwise has ever required religion to tell them what is moral and what is not. Everyone, including theists, makes up their own minds about what is moral and what is not and always has. If this weren't the case, we would today be living in a world where it was completely ok to sell your own daughter as a sex slave, or completely ok for any man to rape a young girl so long as he then purchases that girl from her family for about $850 and marries her. We would also be living in a world where any man considered to be righteous would offer his own virgin daughters up to be raped by an angry mob if said mob was intent on having gay sex with that man's house guests.
This religion gives us our morality myth is bullshit and it always was. We all choose our own morality. Even if we choose to align our morals with the parts of the bible we've decided we like, we're still each of us making up or own minds.
Let's narrow it down to just Christianity. So if you think
Christianity never needed to tell us about morality, why do you think they spent so much time doing it? You are clearly right their morals were pretty screwed up but I assume they were acceptable back then. And I don't think many Christians are running around wanting to rape you or your daughters today. So indeed times have changed. So why are you referring to morals back then to degrade the need for morals today?
I make myself moral.
I decide what's good or bad and it's subject to change. My views generally align with the society I live in.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 08:58:39 PM
So if you think
Christianity never needed to tell us about morality, why do you think they spent so much time doing it?
Because its the only product they've ever had to offer. Religion is a business and always was. And no business can survive without customers. In religion we call them followers not customers but all the same rules of business apply. Lose all your customers/followers and your business/religion goes away.
Far and away the number one marketing strategy of religion for attracting and keeping followers is liberal use of fear (you're going to burn in hell) and then offering a product that will avert that fear. And that product of course is morals. 'This book is your pathway to living a moral life which will guarantee your place in heaven. But its a convoluted text which is difficult to understand so you'll need me to tell you what it means and guide you constantly along your path lest you lose your way. But all that guiding takes up most of my time which prevents me from making a living so I'll need you to tithe me a little bit of your income and in exchange I'll guide you on your path to heaven (which I made up) and keep you from going to hell (which I also made up). What a bargain for you eh'?
If morals is the only product your business has to offer, the last thing you want is for your customer base to realize that they can get their morals on their own. So you nail that shit down and keep it down by constantly reinforcing that the ONLY way to a moral life is via the bible and your particular brand of religious bullshit. And if you do it right then all these years later, even self proclaimed atheists like yourself will still struggle to understand how it is that someone can be moral without a belief in god. Brilliant. Those Nigerian email scammers ain't got nothing on religion.
QuoteYou are clearly right their morals were pretty screwed up but I assume they were acceptable back then. And I don't think many Christians are running around wanting to rape you or your daughters today. So indeed times have changed. So why are you referring to morals back then to degrade the need for morals today?
Where did I degrade anything?
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 12, 2015, 03:30:01 AM
I make myself moral.
I decide what's good or bad and it's subject to change. My views generally align with the society I live in.
But how would you know.
Quote from: Johan on May 12, 2015, 07:06:29 AM
Because its the only product they've ever had to offer. Religion is a business and always was. And no business can survive without customers. In religion we call them followers not customers but all the same rules of business apply. Lose all your customers/followers and your business/religion goes away.
Far and away the number one marketing strategy of religion for attracting and keeping followers is liberal use of fear (you're going to burn in hell) and then offering a product that will avert that fear. And that product of course is morals. 'This book is your pathway to living a moral life which will guarantee your place in heaven. But its a convoluted text which is difficult to understand so you'll need me to tell you what it means and guide you constantly along your path lest you lose your way. But all that guiding takes up most of my time which prevents me from making a living so I'll need you to tithe me a little bit of your income and in exchange I'll guide you on your path to heaven (which I made up) and keep you from going to hell (which I also made up). What a bargain for you eh'?
If morals is the only product your business has to offer, the last thing you want is for your customer base to realize that they can get their morals on their own. So you nail that shit down and keep it down by constantly reinforcing that the ONLY way to a moral life is via the bible and your particular brand of religious bullshit. And if you do it right then all these years later, even self proclaimed atheists like yourself will still struggle to understand how it is that someone can be moral without a belief in god. Brilliant. Those Nigerian email scammers ain't got nothing on religion.
Where did I degrade anything?
It seemed you were creating a straw man argument attacking christian morality back then to justify attacking christian morality today.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 10:11:21 AM
But how would you know.
Because I'm me. When I take the overthinking bullshit out of that I'm the base for my morality after I've become an adult. I don't go running to mommy and daddy anymore.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 10:21:28 AM
It seemed you were creating a straw man argument attacking christian morality back then to justify attacking christian morality today.
So you're saying christianity no longer involves the bible in any way? I didn't know that.
Quote from: Johan on May 12, 2015, 07:14:11 PM
So you're saying christianity no longer involves the bible in any way? I didn't know that.
The problem with Christianity is the leaders. The followers just want to live their lives. As you should be aware there are many people out there trying to decide how to interpret the bible and if people could decide on what should be applicable today there wouldn't be a problem. The problem is the Jerry Fallwell types who keep coming along trying to shove literal interpretations down everyone's throat. So if you could quit listening to people like that you could see the true nature of Christianity. I am only defending the religion and not the way it is applied.
And once again you're missing the point. It is a myth that people need religion or god or a book in order to be moral.
Quote from: Johan on May 12, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
And once again you're missing the point. It is a myth that people need religion or god or a book in order to be moral.
Oh, I have not missed that point at all. I am proof that you are right. But I am not sure that is true of most people. So maybe it is a good thing that religion is still around.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Oh, I have not missed that point at all. I am proof that you are right. But I am not sure that is true of most people.
That's my point. It is true of most people. Many of them don't know it or wouldn't believe it, but its true none the less.
And that's why I said what I said above. There is some truly fucked up shit in the bible. And if people were unable to dictate their own morality without religion, lots of that fucked up shit would still be perfectly acceptable behavior. But thankfully, people have the ability to look that fucked up shit in the bible and decide that doing it wouldn't be moral today. Therefore whether they want to believe it or not, they do indeed have the ability to live their lives in a moral way without any need for religion.
Quote from: Johan on May 12, 2015, 09:15:11 PM
That's my point. It is true of most people. Many of them don't know it or wouldn't believe it, but its true none the less.
And that's why I said what I said above. There is some truly fucked up shit in the bible. And if people were unable to dictate their own morality without religion, lots of that fucked up shit would still be perfectly acceptable behavior. But thankfully, people have the ability to look that fucked up shit in the bible and decide that doing it wouldn't be moral today. Therefore whether they want to believe it or not, they do indeed have the ability to live their lives in a moral way without any need for religion.
And now you are missing the point. My morals are not Christian as evidenced by my moral statement above. I would say my moral position is not that high. But there are many people running around saying things like they follow the Golden Rule or the Wiccan way and then turn right around and break these rules on a daily basis. Wouldn't you agree these are not moral people?
I'd have to know more about them before I could judge I think.
There is no "atheist morality". There is human evolution which produces both cruelty and compassion, both force and cooperation. "Atheist" merely means "off" or "empty" on god claims. It is not a religion. It is not a political party. It is not an economic view. It is not a loyalty oath. It is not a moral code.
I have run into atheists who value "Ayn Rand" "fuck you I got mine" atheists. I have run into Che atheist supporters. I do not like either. I know other atheists who masturbate over owning guns. I know other atheists while rightfully rejecting god claims buy into conspiracies like JFK and 9/11.
"Atheist" is a position. Yes we do have clubs and no, that does not mean we should not have clubs. It merely means we should not be blind loyalists. We are still like every other label part of the same evolution and not even "atheist" is a patent holder that will automatically make us do good or bad.
Quote from: Brian37 on May 13, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
There is no "atheist morality". There is human evolution which produces both cruelty and compassion, both force and cooperation. "Atheist" merely means "off" or "empty" on god claims. It is not a religion. It is not a political party. It is not an economic view. It is not a loyalty oath. It is not a moral code.
I have run into atheists who value "Ayn Rand" "fuck you I got mine" atheists. I have run into Che atheist supporters. I do not like either. I know other atheists who masturbate over owning guns. I know other atheists while rightfully rejecting god claims buy into conspiracies like JFK and 9/11.
"Atheist" is a position. Yes we do have clubs and no, that does not mean we should not have clubs. It merely means we should not be blind loyalists. We are still like every other label part of the same evolution and not even "atheist" is a patent holder that will automatically make us do good or bad.
Exactly. We have no moral compass so whatever morality we hold within ourselves becomes more difficult for others to observe. Except when we profess a moral position such that others can see and hold us to that standard. Christians though are committed to a standard by which they can be held to that standard by being observed as not conforming to it. And which we delight in pointing out to them. But meanwhile we utter whatever moral position we like often with the intent of deceiving people.
Quote from: Brian37 on May 13, 2015, 08:10:03 AM
There is no "atheist morality". There is human evolution which produces both cruelty and compassion, both force and cooperation. "Atheist" merely means "off" or "empty" on god claims. It is not a religion. It is not a political party. It is not an economic view. It is not a loyalty oath. It is not a moral code.
I have run into atheists who value "Ayn Rand" "fuck you I got mine" atheists. I have run into Che atheist supporters. I do not like either. I know other atheists who masturbate over owning guns. I know other atheists while rightfully rejecting god claims buy into conspiracies like JFK and 9/11.
"Atheist" is a position. Yes we do have clubs and no, that does not mean we should not have clubs. It merely means we should not be blind loyalists. We are still like every other label part of the same evolution and not even "atheist" is a patent holder that will automatically make us do good or bad.
All I am saying is that we should preach what we practice and not say otherwise. So if we we practice Hate thy Neighbor that becomes our moral standard at least while we are on this board. I wish people would stop trying to confuse me.
I wish you'd stop trying to confuse yourself
Quote from: Munch on May 13, 2015, 02:48:55 PM
I wish you'd stop trying to confuse yourself
I know! I am trying to stop that now and I don't need any help from you people trying to confuse me again.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 13, 2015, 01:37:45 PM
All I am saying is that we should preach what we practice and not say otherwise. So if we we practice Hate thy Neighbor that becomes our moral standard at least while we are on this board. I wish people would stop trying to confuse me.
Come on, Giveme! People don't confuse you--you confuse yourself. You must wake up every morning to a new and wondrous and confusing world.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 13, 2015, 10:43:28 AM
Exactly. We have no moral compass so whatever morality we hold within ourselves becomes more difficult for others to observe.
THAT'S OUR MORAL COMPASS, FOR FUCKS SAKE.
We make our own moral compass and alot of us have similar morals without even comparing. Alot of it comes from Empathy and Pragmatism. It's called being an independent adult.
QuoteExcept when we profess a moral position such that others can see and hold us to that standard.
Right.
QuoteChristians though are committed to a standard by which they can be held to that standard by being observed as not conforming to it.
I'm venturing to say 100% of current Christians don't follow the morals of their religion.
QuoteAnd which we delight in pointing out to them.
Um. I guess?
QuoteBut meanwhile we utter whatever moral position we like often with the intent of deceiving people.
The fuck are you to tell me I often have the intent of deceiving? You're just like the Christians who assert everyone in the world is some baby raping monster and asking us what's stopping us from destroying everything?
Get some common sense. A great majority of people are not conniving assholes and have integrity.
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 13, 2015, 10:07:31 PM
THAT'S OUR MORAL COMPASS, FOR FUCKS SAKE.
We make our own moral compass and alot of us have similar morals without even comparing. Alot of it comes from Empathy and Pragmatism. It's called being an independent adult.
Right.
I'm venturing to say 100% of current Christians don't follow the morals of their religion.
Um. I guess?
The fuck are you to tell me I often have the intent of deceiving? You're just like the Christians who assert everyone in the world is some baby raping monster and asking us what's stopping us from destroying everything?
Get some common sense. A great majority of people are not conniving assholes and have integrity.
I don't know anything about YOUR moral compass but judging from your reaction it seems a bit self righteous.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 14, 2015, 11:32:58 AM
I don't know anything about YOUR moral compass but judging from your reaction it seems a bit self righteous.
Self righteous and human. I have a very high opinion of myself and tend to think so of others.
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 14, 2015, 01:03:17 PM
Self righteous and human. I have a very high opinion of myself and tend to think so of others.
So how do you think well of others when you think you are the only one who is right?
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 14, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
So how do you think well of others when you think you are the only one who is right?
This doesn't work on someone who doesn't absorb it and overthink it.
The two have no correlation to each other. And who said I thought I was the only one that was right?
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 14, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
This doesn't work on someone who doesn't absorb it and overthink it.
The two have no correlation to each other. And who said I thought I was the only one that was right?
You just said you were self rightious. That's what Christians become in their beliefs. They are unable to understand they might not be right. So why would you want to be that way also?
Morality is subjective even to the religious as they pick and choose what is moral from their holy book. Atheists much choose what is moral based on experience which is still faulty but a bit more reliable than the bible or any other holy book.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 14, 2015, 02:48:06 PM
You just said you were self rightious. That's what Christians become in their beliefs. They are unable to understand they might not be right. So why would you want to be that way also?
I put none above me. Nobody should, you're you 24/7/365/2000 so you should be your top priority.
But does that make me above others?
I am very self confident and am willing to change my views at the same time. But I don't take a super moral highground (allow me to backtrack)
Quote from: doorknob on May 14, 2015, 09:35:25 PM
Morality is subjective even to the religious as they pick and choose what is moral from their holy book. Atheists much choose what is moral based on experience which is still faulty but a bit more reliable than the bible or any other holy book.
I am not so sure about that. I have even heard claims that morality is self evident.
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 14, 2015, 11:45:08 PM
I put none above me. Nobody should, you're you 24/7/365/2000 so you should be your top priority.
But does that make me above others?
I am very self confident and am willing to change my views at the same time. But I don't take a super moral highground (allow me to backtrack)
I will not argue with a god of death.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 15, 2015, 02:25:23 PM
I will not argue with a god of death.
You've chosen wisely
All atheists are immoral, and their immorality increases with their atheism. Strong atheists are demons. They do not have a soul.
p.s.: I am one of them.
Quote from: Aupmanyav on May 16, 2015, 01:41:30 AM
All atheists are immoral, and their immorality increases with their atheism. Strong atheists are demons. They do not have a soul.
p.s.: I am one of them.
I would say that it is difficult to have something that does not exist (a soul). That is sort of like saying that the Tooth Fairy's house is in my backyard. Or I just saw the Invisible Pink Unicorn.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Since atheists no longer have religion to tell us what is moral and what is not we have to decide for ourselves. We could continue to borrow religious morals but I see no reason to do so.
I agree 100%!! Well said, Sir!
Atheist don't need to borrow
anything from religion. We need to put as much distance between ourselves and the delusional believers as possible. No need to hate them. But rather to disassociate with them. And call them out on their bullshit. Especially when they pretend they (the god worshippers) hold the 'moral-high-ground'.
"Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens
Quote from: SkyChief on May 16, 2015, 09:03:19 PM
I agree 100%!! Well said, Sir!
Atheist don't need to borrow anything from religion. We need to put as much distance between ourselves and the delusional believers as possible. No need to hate them. But rather to disassociate with them. And call them out on their bullshit. Especially when they pretend they (the god worshippers) hold the 'moral-high-ground'.
"Religion poisons everything" - Christopher Hitchens
Well I dont share much in the way of Christian morals but I do admire some christian morality but only from the new testament.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 08:14:27 PM
I am only defending the religion and not the way it is applied.
That perhaps is the most ignorant statement you have made. You are defending the religion. Period. Not the washed up , pussy ass version that it is today right? So you defend what the religion was originally. You are not an atheist, you are indeed a troll. We pretty much assumed all along you were because why else would someone say "I am not a troll" in there siggy? Yer a whack job. But I will be a good host for at least one more day, because it is 10:44 and time for bed. See you later, but I doubt you will still be here.
Quote from: aitm on May 16, 2015, 10:45:33 PM
That perhaps is the most ignorant statement you have made. You are defending the religion. Period. Not the wasTVhed up , pussy ass version that it is today right? So you defend what the religion was originally. You are not an atheist, you are indeed a troll. We pretty much assumed all along you were because why else would someone say "I am not a troll" in there siggy? Yer a whack job. But I will be a good host for at least one more day, because it is 10:44 and time for bed. See you later, but I doubt you will still be here.
Do you know how it is that a group of people can stand around and watch someone being murdered or raped and do nothing about it? Well I am not that way. I don't conform to group behavior and when I see injustice I act on it. You want me to conform to hating Christianity or ban me from the site. Then i would have to choose being banned. I see that you are following me around trying to torment me. How old are you anyway. Just because I am athiest does not mean I have to hate religion. And if this is all this site can be then I will gladly leave. You decide.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 16, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
Do you know how it is that a group of people can stand around and watch someone being murdered or raped and do nothing about it? Well I am not that way. I don't conform to group behavior and when I see injustice I act on it. You want me to conform to hating Christianity or ban me from the site. Then i would have to choose being banned. I see that you are following me around trying to torment me. How old are you anyway. Just because I am athiest does not mean I have to hate religion. And if this is all this site can be then I will gladly leave. You decide.
We don't hate religion or at least I don't but you've kinda been... loopy. Your thought processes are generally all over the place. It get's hard trying to figure out what you're trying to say.
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 17, 2015, 04:08:26 AM
We don't hate religion or at least I don't but you've kinda been... loopy. Your thought processes are generally all over the place. It get's hard trying to figure out what you're trying to say.
I used to be loopy but am becoming clearer now. This site has helped me a great deal. I came here knowing I needed some mental stimulation and so it has done that for me. I just don't have much tolerance for intolerance. In spite of all the issues I may have created here I am becoming more creative in myself. My mind does jump all over the place but I am increasingly able to focus it within threads. When I first came here I was confronted with all sorts of troll accusations which is why I have now put my denial of being a troll in my signature. When I have engaged in jubilant outbursts of my love for this place I am being very sincere. I am truly loving my interaction here and would love to continue.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 14, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
So how do you think well of others when you think you are the only one who is right?
You should be the expert on this one. Oh wait, you don't explain. You only pontificate. Carry on.
Quote from: SGOS on May 17, 2015, 12:37:50 PM
You should be the expert on this one. Oh wait, you don't explain. You only pontificate. Carry on.
I don't believe that. If I start pontificating I would sincerely hope anyone who disagreed or thought i needed assistance would join in explaining otherwise such that I can correct myself if need be. I am often a big mouthed pontificator but not to drown others but hoping I can entice them in.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 12:56:54 PM
I don't believe that. If I start pontificating I would sincerely hope anyone who disagreed or thought i needed assistance would join in explaining otherwise such that I can correct myself if need be. I am often a big mouthed pontificator but not to drown others but hoping I can entice them in.
giveme, this is you in a nutshell. You tell us that you don't pontificate--but if you do please tell you. Then you say you are 'often a big mouthed pontificator'. You really just do not know if you are coming or going.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2015, 01:05:22 PM
giveme, this is you in a nutshell. You tell us that you don't pontificate--but if you do please tell you. Then you say you are 'often a big mouthed pontificator'. You really just do not know if you are coming or going.
I was trying to say that I don't refrain from explaining and not that I don't pontificate. I am trying to be more explanatory.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 01:18:20 PM
I was trying to say that I don't refrain from explaining and not that I don't pontificate. I am trying to be more explanatory.
How about being more accurate. You always talk in riddles, contradict yourself from post to post, and say things just to get a rise out of people. Nobody knows what you really think. I think that the 'they' in your head doesn't know either.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2015, 01:22:30 PM
How about being more accurate. You always talk in riddles, contradict yourself from post to post, and say things just to get a rise out of people. Nobody knows what you really think. I think that the 'they' in your head doesn't know either.
I am not as literal as you and I think some people see exactly what I mean. But I will try to proofread my posts more and hopefully catch my word omissions as I almost did right here.
Quote from: Termin on May 11, 2015, 05:36:07 PM
Ground the both of em :)
That's not very christian.
Stone them to death!
Quote from: the_antithesis on May 17, 2015, 01:47:58 PM
That's not very christian.
Stone them to death!
Are you suggesting I am as confusing as you are at this moment? Just let me know next time as I am letting you know right now. Thanks.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
I used to be loopy but am becoming clearer now. This site has helped me a great deal. I came here knowing I needed some mental stimulation and so it has done that for me. I just don't have much tolerance for intolerance. In spite of all the issues I may have created here I am becoming more creative in myself. My mind does jump all over the place but I am increasingly able to focus it within threads. When I first came here I was confronted with all sorts of troll accusations which is why I have now put my denial of being a troll in my signature. When I have engaged in jubilant outbursts of my love for this place I am being very sincere. I am truly loving my interaction here and would love to continue.
All you need to is relax, calm down and have a conversation and try to stay on topic. And if the topic shifts either shift with it or bring it back. Forum culture is generally civil
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 17, 2015, 02:07:41 PM
All you need to is relax, calm down and have a conversation and try to stay on topic. And if the topic shifts either shift with it or bring it back. Forum culture is generally civil
I am with you, Oh God of Death. :-)
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2015, 01:22:30 PM
How about being more accurate. You always talk in riddles, contradict yourself from post to post, and say things just to get a rise out of people. Nobody knows what you really think. I think that the 'they' in your head doesn't know either.
I realize that I need to explain again "being detached". I should have said this before but I often operate from a third person perspective from within myself. This enables me to remain calm and rational which is my preferred method of encountering life from within myself. When face to face I am more personal. But mind to mind as we have here I think it is better to interract from the third person. Now I am not always that way here but when I am considering something I like taking that view. And in doing so expressions often come out in that manner as well. Does that better explain some of my interaction here?
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 16, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
. I see that you are following me around trying to torment me.
oh please, jesus h, now you're going with the "I am being oppressed" whack-a mole crap? Follow you around? It's a forum you nut job. I try hard not to read your drivel until you fall off the turnpike and into some whacky land of "what the fuck". Really, there are far better forums for you, you should spend some time and look some more.
Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 03:18:27 PM
oh please, jesus h, now you're going with the "I am being oppressed" whack-a mole crap? Follow you around? It's a forum you nut job. I try hard not to read your drivel until you fall off the turnpike and into some whacky land of "what the fuck". Really, there are far better forums for you, you should spend some time and look some more.
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Quote from: Mike Cl on May 17, 2015, 03:20:27 PM
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
I just found this on the internet. This helps to explain how I am being seen.
http://m.mic.com/articles/111300/the-psychological-case-for-talking-in-the-third-person
That has nothing to do with the way you are being "seen". Comments like, "morality can be self identified" or whatever the fuck that was, or "I support religion but only in its original" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. You come up with some real whack-a-doo shit. So, no, we have eccentric by the mother fucking semi load in this forum, I mean we have the fucking weird stacked to the mother fucking roof. What we don't see all the time is pandering apologists who prefer to champion religion in its original format over an educated and logical society. So to that, you and indeed an odd-ball.
ps. If you think I am "following" you or "stalking" you, you may submit a report to the moderators and admins using that handy little button called the "Report to Moderator"… we put it there especially so folks like you could complain about us nasty meanies.
Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 03:37:12 PM
That has nothing to do with the way you are being "seen". Comments like, "morality can be self identified" or whatever the fuck that was, or "I support religion but only in its original" whatever the hell that is supposed to mean. You come up with some real whack-a-doo shit. So, no, we have eccentric by the mother fucking semi load in this forum, I mean we have the fucking weird stacked to the mother fucking roof. What we don't see all the time is pandering apologists who prefer to champion religion in its original format over an educated and logical society. So to that, you and indeed an odd-ball.
ps. If you think I am "following" you or "stalking" you, you may submit a report to the moderators and admins using that handy little button called the "Report to Moderator"… we put it there especially so folks like you could complain about us nasty meanies.
You were clearly stalking me yesterday just as you are now. So whatever problem you have is your problem in that you seem to have a need to paint me in some way again just as you are doing now. I don't have a problem if you don't like me. There are others here who I am truly enjoying my interaction with. And I am seeing a pattern in the behavior of those who seem to keep attacking me.
It isn't that we don't like you, it's because we have no idea who the fuck you are and what you are taking about with your dribble you old coot. He! He! Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on May 17, 2015, 05:06:43 PM
It isn't that we don't like you, it's because we have no idea who the fuck you are and what you are taking about with your dribble you old coot. He! He! Solitary
Well then you should become friends with me and you wouldn't have to be so solitary. I could impart much knowledge to you. I sent you a friendship poem.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 04:35:33 PM
You were clearly stalking me yesterday just as you are now.
Add delusional to your ailments. Your seem to have a very high self esteem to think that people are stalking you because they respond to you after you spend time on their forum spouting complete nonsense.
Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 06:54:07 PM
Add delusional to your ailments. Your seem to have a very high self esteem to think that people are stalking you because they respond to you after you spend time on their forum spouting complete nonsense.
Bad Dog! That was a mean thing to say. Or are you trying to make friends with me too?.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 06:11:11 PM
Well then you should become friends with me and you wouldn't have to be so solitary. I could impart much knowledge to you. I sent you a friendship poem.
Obviously you don't know why my name is solitary. This man that hails every Tom Dick and Harry here, proved by thumps upon our backs how he esteems our merit, is such a friend, that one has need to be much his friend indeed to pardon or to bear it. Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on May 17, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
Obviously you don't know why my name is solitary. This man that hails every Tom Dick and Harry here, proved by thumps upon our backs how he esteems our merit, is such a friend, that one has need to be much his friend indeed to pardon or to bear it. Solitary
No I did not but based on what you just said I am now guessing you have lost someone very dear to you. I was hoping when I said that you would reveal your name. Why would you now want to wield such a cruel sword against me?
Quote from: Solitary on May 17, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
Obviously you don't know why my name is solitary. This man that hails every Tom Dick and Harry here, proved by thumps upon our backs how he esteems our merit, is such a friend, that one has need to be much his friend indeed to pardon or to bear it. Solitary
This is no longer fun.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Bad Dog! That was a mean thing to say. Or are you trying to make friends with me too?.
I am friends with Solitary and we don't even like each other….
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
No I did not but based on what you just said I am now guessing you have lost someone very dear to you. I was hoping when I said that you would reveal your name. Why would you now want to wield such a cruel sword against me?
You are correct I did, and my name is William. Love that I lost was merely madness; and, I tell you, it deserved a dark house and used a whip as madmen do: and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers were in love too. Her name was JJ, and she says "FUCK YOU!" Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on May 17, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
You are correct I did, and my name is William. Love that I lost was merely madness; and, I tell you, it deserved a dark house and used a whip as madmen do: and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers were in love too. Her name was JJ, and she says "FUCK YOU!" Solitary
You are all missing the point. What you did was to pull out your own pain to attack me in a very destructive manner. I would have been defenseless against that. That you are willing to go to that extent in the attempt to destroy me is again so very cruel. And now you have shown me your cruelty twice. I do not like you either.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
You are all missing the point. What you did was to pull out your own pain to attack me in a very destructive manner. I would have been defenseless against that. That you are willing to go to that extent in the attempt to destroy me is again so very cruel. And now you have shown me your cruelty twice. I do not like you either.
Is anybody else have a clue what this guy is talking about? It's like they stepped out in the o-zone.
Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
Is anybody else have a clue what this guy is talking about? It's like they stepped out in the o-zone.
Apparently he does have a 'they' living in his head--so who knows which of them are in control at any one time?????? Apparently he doesn't.
It's like a secret code between two lovers that……….oy vey…that paints a disturbing picture…...
Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
It's like a secret code between two lovers that……….oy vey…that paints a disturbing picture…...
Yes, quite....................
Did I mention that he's a troll?
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Oh, I have not missed that point at all. I am proof that you are right. But I am not sure that is true of most people. So maybe it is a good thing that religion is still around.
Why? Most people haven't had a fair shot at being raised without religion, and as the Jesuits say, give me the child for the first seven years, and I will give you the man. That kind of indoctrination that young is very difficult to break away from. Children can be -- and some lucky ones are -- raised to be decent, honest and fair people without regard to religion. The only reason religion may appear "necessary" is because it's a psychological crutch that some people need, because they were raised to
think it was necessary.
Quote from: trdsf on May 17, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
Why? Most people haven't had a fair shot at being raised without religion, and as the Jesuits say, give me the child for the first seven years, and I will give you the man. That kind of indoctrination that young is very difficult to break away from. Children can be -- and some lucky ones are -- raised to be decent, honest and fair people without regard to religion. The only reason religion may appear "necessary" is because it's a psychological crutch that some people need, because they were raised to think it was necessary.
You are of course correct. I think Athiests though are still too few in number yet to perform any research studies of our effect on morality.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
I used to be loopy but am becoming clearer now.
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.
Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2015, 06:56:00 AM
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.
Now I am getting suspicious. Do the same people here post under different names? Maybe there are trolls amongst us??
Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2015, 06:56:00 AM
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.
I tell you what. I am going to stop creating any new threads for awhile. Several have advised me to do this and I think they are right. I will just blend in and post amongst you. Let's see if you can come up with a meaningful thread. If so, I will gladly assist you by joining in.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 07:23:22 AM
Now I am getting suspicious. Do the same people here post under different names? Maybe there are trolls amongst us??
If you are given the same message from multiple sources, would you not think there might be something to that message???? A good process may be to think before you post--then think of what you want to say, and then write the message, review it and make it legible and then post it. Maybe that would allow you to make a coherent statement.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2015, 09:05:52 AM
If you are given the same message from multiple sources, would you not think there might be something to that message???? A good process may be to think before you post--then think of what you want to say, and then write the message, review it and make it legible and then post it. Maybe that would allow you to make a coherent statement.
Well then have at it. Do something meaningful and coherent.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 09:09:55 AM
Well then have at it. Do something meaningful and coherent.
Back in the nineties I used to participate on a flame board tormenting christians. I have matured a bit since then. I came here with an open heart hoping to engage with some deep thinking athiests. And they are most certainly here. But I have seen also that we need to set a better example of ourselves. I am sure there are doubting christians all around us watching how we interract. So my feeling is that we need to be offering them our support to help them transition into athiests. In other words don't repeat my past mistakes. But instead when the doubting christians look here they see a bunch of hate spewing assholes who may have very good reasons for their hate. But they need to get over it. Who the hell would want to leave Christianity to join a group setting an example like us.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 09:09:55 AM
Well then have at it. Do something meaningful and coherent.
Jesus, Giveme........................you just can't do it can you??!! 'Well then have at it.' I do--that's the process I use to post anywhere.
Shit--my forehead is getting bloody from banging it on that brick wall over there--the one with the red spot on it. I guess that makes me the stupid one......................................
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2015, 10:56:45 AM
Jesus, Giveme........................you just can't do it can you??!! 'Well then have at it.' I do--that's the process I use to post anywhere.
Shit--my forehead is getting bloody from banging it on that brick wall over there--the one with the red spot on it. I guess that makes me the stupid one......................................
I am not starting a new thread. I gave that burden to you and I am still waiting. I didn't say I was going to stop posting.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 11:05:12 AM
I am not starting a new thread. I gave that burden to you and I am still waiting. I didn't say I was going to stop posting.
One last shot at it....................this is not about just the threads you start, it is about every single post you make! Every one! You don't make a lick of fucking sense. I really don't think you make sense to yourself. I don't give a shit if you start a thread every 5 min. I don't give a shit if you were to stop posting. You.....just......don't.......make.....any....fucking.....sense.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever!
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2015, 11:52:55 AM
One last shot at it....................this is not about just the threads you start, it is about every single post you make! Every one! You don't make a lick of fucking sense. I really don't think you make sense to yourself. I don't give a shit if you start a thread every 5 min. I don't give a shit if you were to stop posting. You.....just......don't.......make.....any....fucking.....sense.!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever!
Have you ever had an IQ test? Still waiting on that new thread.
I have complimented you on two of your post and yet you keep claiming I'm trying to destroy you when you are simply destroying your self with paranoia and always making snide remarks about atheist in general, while claiming to be an atheist while mocking yourself which doesn't make any sense unless you are being disingenuous and being a troll. You said you hate me while I have never said that about you. I think you may be mentally ill and really need help. Good luck in life, because with your attitude you are going to need it. Solitary
Quote from: Solitary on May 18, 2015, 02:23:51 PM
I have complimented you on two of your post and yet you keep claiming I'm trying to destroy you when you are simply destroying your self with paranoia and always making snide remarks about atheist in general, while claiming to be an atheist while mocking yourself which doesn't make any sense unless you are being disingenuous and being a troll. You said you hate me while I have never said that about you. I think you may be mentally ill and really need help. Good luck in life, because with your attitude you are going to need it. Solitary
You have not complimented on two of my posts. Last condescending complement I recall is you telling me that was the first post you had seen that was not stupid. I think you are arrogant and very cruel. And I particularly disliked it when you tried to set me up to look insensitive because I was not aware of the loss of your loved one. What a really mean spirited trick. Why are you this way? And I never said I hated you only that I don't like you ( because of your mean spirited nature ). Since you are after me again, it appears you are the paranoid one. You don't need to tell me you hate me. I have already seen that in you. I suggest you see a shrink and stay well away from me.
:shhh:
shhhhh....everybody move very very carefully, we don't want you know who to see us following him.....shhhhh
:shhh:
Quote from: aitm on May 18, 2015, 03:32:21 PM
:shhh:
shhhhh....everybody move very very carefully, we don't want you know who to see us following him.....shhhhh
:shhh:
:rotflmao:
And I am thinking what is he on about? I keep missing the fun in Giveme's threads.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 13, 2015, 04:52:06 PM
Come on, Giveme! People don't confuse you--you confuse yourself. You must wake up every morning to a new and wondrous and confusing world.
wtf is this? Memento?
This thread gets hillarious by the minute. Memento! :lol:
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 18, 2015, 03:54:18 PM
wtf is this? Memento?
It very well could be. Except for giveme, the two (or three or four) threads of his mind never seem to correctly come together in the end. His whole life must be one continuous WTF?.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 03:11:43 PM
You have not complimented on two of my posts. Last condescending complement I recall is you telling me that was the first post you had seen that was not stupid. I think you are arrogant and very cruel. And I particularly disliked it when you tried to set me up to look insensitive because I was not aware of the loss of your loved one. What a really mean spirited trick. Why are you this way? And I never said I hated you only that I don't like you ( because of your mean spirited nature ). Since you are after me again, it appears you are the paranoid one. You don't need to tell me you hate me. I have already seen that in you. I suggest you see a shrink and stay well away from me.
It isn't that we don't like you, it's because we have no idea who the fuck you are and what you are taking about with your dribble you old coot. He! He! Solitary
Givemeareason, you have been accepted here or you wouldn't be here, and if you speak like this you are more than welcome, IS THIS NOT A COMPLIMENT? but even now you have to use a derogatory remark about many atheist not being rational, as if being rational is all we should be, and never be irrational about the Judeo-Christian-religion that is as irrational, bigoted, prejudice, and hateful as can be, and just overlook that and say it is on equal terms with atheism and be accepted because it is a Golden Calf. "Are we not human" because we are atheists as you keep implying? Are we not rational because we don't accept religion based on the concept of God, or gods and the supernatural? Solitary
Welcome aboard Givemeareason! Solitary---a lonely dinosaur punker. And this isn't accepting you?
SmOff Like this flock? SmOn A fine post by you, you old fart. Solitary Is this not a compliment?
So now I'll tell you what I really think of you: you are an egotistical asshole that gets off upsetting people with his verbal baiting that makes himself feel superior to atheists because he is being disingenuous about being a troll and only here to cause havoc among the regulars that contribute to the forum. You are liar when you say I never complimented your post and I gave proof you are above. You are mean spirited grumpy old man that has a big chip on his shoulder that he dares atheists to knock off for what ever reason. Every post you make has a snide remark about atheist, and never say anything bad about the religious and say we should be friends with them which is true, but make it sound like we are the ones that started this conflict. I have no doubt you are a Christian apologist and phony atheist that is a troll trying to show how superior you are to real atheist by being obfuscating and obtuse in your posts. Solitary
lmao I'm glad someone gets my jokes
Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 18, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
lmao I'm glad someone gets my jokes
I try to pay attention. I thought it was a reference to either the movie or the candy--don't like either one. Oh............wait..............the candy was mentos. Still don't like them.
Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
I try to pay attention. I thought it was a reference to either the movie or the candy--don't like either one. Oh............wait..............the candy was mentos. Still don't like them.
I actually have yet to watch that movie. I just know the general idea.
Sent from your mom.
Quote from: Solitary on May 18, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
It isn't that we don't like you, it's because we have no idea who the fuck you are and what you are taking about with your dribble you old coot. He! He! Solitary
Givemeareason, you have been accepted here or you wouldn't be here, and if you speak like this you are more than welcome, IS THIS NOT A COMPLIMENT? but even now you have to use a derogatory remark about many atheist not being rational, as if being rational is all we should be, and never be irrational about the Judeo-Christian-religion that is as irrational, bigoted, prejudice, and hateful as can be, and just overlook that and say it is on equal terms with atheism and be accepted because it is a Golden Calf. "Are we not human" because we are atheists as you keep implying? Are we not rational because we don't accept religion based on the concept of God, or gods and the supernatural? Solitary
Welcome aboard Givemeareason! Solitary---a lonely dinosaur punker. And this isn't accepting you?
SmOff Like this flock? SmOn A fine post by you, you old fart. Solitary Is this not a compliment?
So now I'll tell you what I really think of you: you are an egotistical asshole that gets off upsetting people with his verbal baiting that makes himself feel superior to atheists because he is being disingenuous about being a troll and only here to cause havoc among the regulars that contribute to the forum. You are liar when you say I never complimented your post and I gave proof you are above. You are mean spirited grumpy old man that has a big chip on his shoulder that he dares atheists to knock off for what ever reason. Every post you make has a snide remark about atheist, and never say anything bad about the religious and say we should be friends with them which is true, but make it sound like we are the ones that started this conflict. I have no doubt you are a Christian apologist and phony atheist that is a troll trying to show how superior you are to real atheist by being obfuscating and obtuse in your posts. Solitary
I guess one of us just doesn't know when to back down. But nothing like a good open discussion. As for your complements in those quotes I think you may have to point them out to me. But what is clear is that you are falling back into hate again. That's why I suggested you get a shrink. So let's make some observations about you so I can help you understand yourself better.
1. You have redefined atheism that we must hate religion or we're not Athiests. Yet you are surrounded by athiests who don't feel that way many of them right on this board. But since I dared challenge you, you now hate me.
2. I am going to take your bait again. You like to wear your pain and suffering by using the name Solitary to portray yourself as long suffering as a shield of armor. And you sign all your posts with that name to proclaim yourself as a great mage of atheism so all will recognize your wisdom. Please correct me if I have hurt your feelings again.
3. You just love to exercise your power as a great troll hunter and destroying them if they do not conform to your standards.
4. And if someone doesn't conform you try to have them drowned out while you slink back into the background again proclaiming your wisdom again and waiting for your next victim.
But there is not much you are saying now that hasn't already been disproven. Though I was having issues when I stumbled in here it seems many people are understanding my posts now. And there are many instances where I have been kind where I could have attacked people but chose not to. But some people just keep pushing and won't let up. I think I am seeing you pretty well but that veil of hate keeps getting in the way. Now I bet you are going to pull your sob story now to prove how the mean old man is picking on you. But hey, shit happens. So if I pull out a sob story are you going to let up on me. Probably not. But if we keep going you might.
:eek:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:popcorn:
Quote from: aitm on May 18, 2015, 09:28:31 PM
:eek:
:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:
:popcorn:
Here is the new commandment I am going to follow.
Love thy neighbor (except when they try to fuck you over)
Insults don't mean shit so feel free if you think you can enlighten me. Who knows? You might even get something out of it for yourself.
I see we've crossed paths elsewhere Givemeareason
Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 23, 2015, 02:11:30 AM
I see we've crossed paths elsewhere Givemeareason
And it is good to see you again too, sir.
Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Since atheists no longer have religion to tell us what is moral and what is not we have to decide for ourselves. We could continue to borrow religious morals but I see no reason to do so. So taking this to my most fundamental premise I can say, "I must be moral.". If that were not true, I would be a sociopath. Why is another question but not now. So taking that premise I then have to build from that. I recently experienced a moral dilemmas which has forced me back to this premise. So taking this premise I have built this statement. "I cannot willfully nor directly harm another person without just cause." I don't think I need elaborate on the possibilities that are allowed. The dilemma is this. I was placed into having to choose between two people that I love. They each wanted to have things their own way. I was forced to choose which brought me back to having to formulate that statement. What I ended up doing was explaining to them that I could not morally make the choice they requested. To do so would violate my most basic requirement of remaining moral. I then said things are to remain the same. The situation is not resolved. They are both still unhappy. But I remain moral. Did I handle this correctly or how could I have improved this?
Not enough information in the original post to be able to answer. In addition, I don't even know what you mean by the term moral, if you're an atheist. So more information would be required.
Quote from: Odoital778412 on May 24, 2015, 03:21:29 AM
Not enough information in the original post to be able to answer. In addition, I don't even know what you mean by the term moral, if you're an atheist. So more information would be required.
Certainly you must pick and and choose bible passages (god's divinely inspired words) that you would deem as moral, opposed to the many that are not. How are you able to do that? Yep, subjective selection. Same way atheists operate. It's not perfect, but it's what we have, and it's a hell of a lot better than using the bible!
Quote from: hrdlr110 on May 24, 2015, 04:04:55 AM
Certainly you must pick and and choose bible passages (god's divinely inspired words) that you would deem as moral, opposed to the many that are not. How are you able to do that? Yep, subjective selection. Same way atheists operate. It's not perfect, but it's what we have, and it's a hell of a lot better than using the bible!
No offense, but that has nothing to do with what I said. I was simply pointing out that not enough information was given for me to be able to really make a comment one way or the other. And given that I'm supposedly reading the words of an atheist, I didn't know what exactly was meant by the term moral. Whatever you're talking about, it has nothing to do with what I was attempting to communicate.