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Started by Givemeareason, May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM

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Mike Cl

Quote from: PickelledEggs on May 18, 2015, 05:18:12 PM
lmao I'm glad someone gets my jokes
I try to pay attention.  I thought it was a reference to either the movie or the candy--don't like either one.  Oh............wait..............the candy was mentos.  Still don't like them.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

PickelledEggs

Quote from: Mike Cl on May 18, 2015, 06:14:25 PM
I try to pay attention.  I thought it was a reference to either the movie or the candy--don't like either one.  Oh............wait..............the candy was mentos.  Still don't like them.
I actually have yet to watch that movie. I just know the general idea.

Sent from your mom.


Givemeareason

Quote from: Solitary on May 18, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
It isn't that we don't like you, it's because we have no idea who the fuck you are and what you are taking about with your dribble you old coot. He! He! Solitary

Givemeareason, you have been accepted here or you wouldn't be here, and if you speak like this you are more than welcome, IS THIS NOT A COMPLIMENT? but even now you have to use a derogatory remark about many atheist not being rational, as if being rational is all we should be, and never be irrational about the Judeo-Christian-religion that is as irrational, bigoted, prejudice, and hateful as can be, and just overlook that and say it is on equal terms with atheism and be accepted because it is a Golden Calf. "Are we not human" because we are atheists as you keep implying? Are we not rational because we don't accept religion based on the concept of God, or gods and the supernatural? Solitary

Welcome aboard Givemeareason! Solitary---a lonely dinosaur punker. And this isn't accepting you?

SmOff Like this flock? SmOn A fine post by you, you old fart. Solitary  Is this not a compliment?


So now I'll tell you what I really think of you: you are an egotistical asshole that gets off upsetting people with his verbal baiting that makes himself feel superior to atheists because he is being disingenuous about being a troll and only here to cause havoc among the regulars that contribute to the forum. You are liar when you say I never complimented your post and I gave proof you are above. You are mean spirited grumpy old man that has a big chip on his shoulder that he dares atheists to knock off for what ever reason. Every post you make has a snide remark about atheist, and never say anything bad about the religious and say we should be friends with them which is true, but make it sound like we are the ones that started this conflict. I have no doubt you are a Christian apologist and phony atheist that is a troll trying to show how superior you are to real atheist by being obfuscating and obtuse in your posts.  Solitary

I guess one of us just doesn't know when to back down.  But nothing like a good open discussion.  As for your complements in those quotes I think you may have to point them out to me.  But what is clear is that you are falling back into hate again.  That's why I suggested you get a shrink.  So let's make some observations about you so I can help you understand yourself better.
1.  You have redefined atheism that we must hate religion or we're not Athiests.  Yet you are surrounded by athiests who don't feel that way many of them right on this board.  But since I dared challenge you, you now hate me.
2.  I am going to take your bait again.  You like to wear your pain and suffering by using the name Solitary to portray yourself as long suffering as a shield of armor. And you sign all your posts with that name to proclaim yourself as a great mage of atheism so all will recognize your wisdom.  Please correct me if I have hurt your feelings again.
3. You just love to exercise your power as a great troll hunter and destroying them if they do not conform to your standards.
4.  And if someone doesn't conform you try to have them drowned out while you slink back into the background again proclaiming your wisdom again and waiting for your next victim.
But there is not much you are saying now that hasn't already been disproven.  Though I was having issues when I stumbled in here it seems many people are understanding my posts now.  And there are many instances where I have been kind where I could have attacked people but chose not to.  But some people just keep pushing and won't let up.  I think I am seeing you pretty well but that veil of hate keeps getting in the way.  Now I bet you are going to pull your sob story now to prove how the mean old man is picking on you.  But hey, shit happens.  So if I pull out a sob story are you going to let up on me.  Probably not.  But if we keep going you might.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

aitm

A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Givemeareason

Quote from: aitm on May 18, 2015, 09:28:31 PM
:eek:

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:




:popcorn:

Here is the new commandment I am going to follow.

Love thy neighbor (except when they try to fuck you over)

Insults don't mean shit so feel free if you think you can enlighten me.  Who knows?  You might even get something out of it for yourself.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

DeathandGrim

I see we've crossed paths elsewhere Givemeareason
You argue with a god of death?

We all make bad decisions.

"Born Asian -- Not born this way"

Givemeareason

Quote from: DeathandGrim on May 23, 2015, 02:11:30 AM
I see we've crossed paths elsewhere Givemeareason

And it is good to see you again too, sir.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Odoital778412

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM
Since atheists no longer have religion to tell us what is moral and what is not we have to decide for ourselves.  We could continue to borrow religious morals but I see no reason to do so.  So taking this to my most fundamental premise I can say, "I must be moral.".  If that were not true, I would be a sociopath.  Why is another question but not now. So taking that premise I then have to build from that.  I recently experienced a moral dilemmas which has forced me back to this premise.  So taking this premise I have built this statement.  "I cannot willfully nor directly harm another person without just cause."  I don't think I need elaborate on the possibilities that are allowed.  The dilemma is this.  I was placed into having to choose between two people that I love.  They each wanted to have things their own way.  I was forced to choose which brought me back to having to formulate that statement.  What I ended up doing was explaining to them that I could not morally make the choice they requested.  To do so would violate my most basic requirement of remaining moral.  I then said things are to remain the same.  The situation is not resolved.  They are both still unhappy.  But I remain moral.  Did I handle this correctly or how could I have improved this?
Not enough information in the original post to be able to answer.  In addition, I don't even know what you mean by the term moral, if you're an atheist.  So more information would be required.
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” - C.S. Lewis, Is Theology Poetry? -

hrdlr110

Quote from: Odoital778412 on May 24, 2015, 03:21:29 AM
Not enough information in the original post to be able to answer.  In addition, I don't even know what you mean by the term moral, if you're an atheist.  So more information would be required.

Certainly you must pick and and choose bible passages (god's divinely inspired words) that you would deem as moral, opposed to the many that are not. How are you able to do that? Yep, subjective selection. Same way atheists operate. It's not perfect, but it's what we have, and it's a hell of a lot better than using the bible!
Q for theists; how can there be freewill and miracles? And, how can prayer exist in an environment as regimented as "gods plan"?

"I'm a polyatheist, there are many gods I don't believe in." - Dan Fouts

Odoital778412

Quote from: hrdlr110 on May 24, 2015, 04:04:55 AM
Certainly you must pick and and choose bible passages (god's divinely inspired words) that you would deem as moral, opposed to the many that are not. How are you able to do that? Yep, subjective selection. Same way atheists operate. It's not perfect, but it's what we have, and it's a hell of a lot better than using the bible!
No offense, but that has nothing to do with what I said.  I was simply pointing out that not enough information was given for me to be able to really make a comment one way or the other.  And given that I'm supposedly reading the words of an atheist, I didn't know what exactly was meant by the term moral.  Whatever you're talking about, it has nothing to do with what I was attempting to communicate.
“I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.” - C.S. Lewis, Is Theology Poetry? -