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Started by Givemeareason, May 11, 2015, 11:14:14 AM

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Mike Cl

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

aitm

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 07:01:42 PM
Bad Dog!  That was a mean thing to say.  Or are you trying to make friends with me too?.
I am friends with Solitary and we don't even like each other….
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Solitary

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 07:21:43 PM
No I did not but based on what you just said I am now guessing you have lost someone very dear to you.  I was hoping when I said that you would reveal your name.  Why would you now want to wield such a cruel sword against me?

You are correct I did, and my name is William. Love that I lost was merely madness; and, I tell you, it deserved a dark house and used a whip as madmen do: and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers were in love too. Her name was JJ, and she says "FUCK YOU!" Solitary
There is nothing more frightful than ignorance in action.

Givemeareason

Quote from: Solitary on May 17, 2015, 07:34:27 PM
You are correct I did, and my name is William. Love that I lost was merely madness; and, I tell you, it deserved a dark house and used a whip as madmen do: and the reason why they are not so punished and cured is that the lunacy is so ordinary that the whippers were in love too. Her name was JJ, and she says "FUCK YOU!" Solitary

You are all missing the point.  What you did was to pull out your own pain to attack me in a very destructive manner.  I would have been defenseless against that.  That you are willing to go to that extent in the attempt to destroy me is again so very cruel.  And now you have shown me your cruelty twice.  I do not like you either.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

aitm

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
You are all missing the point.  What you did was to pull out your own pain to attack me in a very destructive manner.  I would have been defenseless against that.  That you are willing to go to that extent in the attempt to destroy me is again so very cruel.  And now you have shown me your cruelty twice.  I do not like you either.


Is anybody else have a clue what this guy is talking about? It's like they stepped out in the o-zone.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Mike Cl

Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 08:53:31 PM
Is anybody else have a clue what this guy is talking about? It's like they stepped out in the o-zone.
Apparently he does have a 'they' living in his head--so who knows which of them are in control at any one time??????  Apparently he doesn't.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

aitm

It's like a secret code between two lovers that……….oy vey…that paints a disturbing picture…...
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Mike Cl

Quote from: aitm on May 17, 2015, 09:39:49 PM
It's like a secret code between two lovers that……….oy vey…that paints a disturbing picture…...
Yes, quite....................
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

SGOS

Did I mention that he's a troll?

trdsf

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 12, 2015, 09:06:31 PM
Oh, I have not missed that point at all.  I am proof that you are right.  But I am not sure that is true of most people.  So maybe it is a good thing that religion is still around.
Why?  Most people haven't had a fair shot at being raised without religion, and as the Jesuits say, give me the child for the first seven years, and I will give you the man.  That kind of indoctrination that young is very difficult to break away from.  Children can be -- and some lucky ones are -- raised to be decent, honest and fair people without regard to religion.  The only reason religion may appear "necessary" is because it's a psychological crutch that some people need, because they were raised to think it was necessary.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Givemeareason

Quote from: trdsf on May 17, 2015, 10:18:50 PM
Why?  Most people haven't had a fair shot at being raised without religion, and as the Jesuits say, give me the child for the first seven years, and I will give you the man.  That kind of indoctrination that young is very difficult to break away from.  Children can be -- and some lucky ones are -- raised to be decent, honest and fair people without regard to religion.  The only reason religion may appear "necessary" is because it's a psychological crutch that some people need, because they were raised to think it was necessary.

You are of course correct.  I think Athiests though are still too few in number yet to perform any research studies of our effect on morality.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Johan

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 17, 2015, 12:32:47 PM
I used to be loopy but am becoming clearer now. 
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Givemeareason

Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2015, 06:56:00 AM
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.

Now I am getting suspicious.  Do the same people here post under different names?  Maybe there are trolls amongst us??
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Givemeareason

Quote from: Johan on May 18, 2015, 06:56:00 AM
You're still loopy. I know you think you've made lots of progress and perhaps you have. But you've still got a long way to go before you can say that you're no longer loopy.

I tell you what.  I am going to stop creating any new threads for awhile.  Several have advised me to do this and I think they are right.  I will just blend in and post amongst you.  Let's see if you can come up with a meaningful thread.  If so,  I will gladly assist you by joining in.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Givemeareason on May 18, 2015, 07:23:22 AM
Now I am getting suspicious.  Do the same people here post under different names?  Maybe there are trolls amongst us??
If you are given the same message from multiple sources, would you not think there might be something to that message????  A good process may be to think before you post--then think of what you want to say, and then write the message, review it and make it legible and then post it.  Maybe that would allow you to make a coherent statement.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?