"I wouldn't date a ___"

[aitm]

I think that type of face translates to me as cold and distant for some reason. I don't like cold-distant people, let alone get attracted to them.   

The bad boy? You?  Dang. I think we all understand that for some reason a lot of women want the bad boy. I can only guess it is the idea that YOU changed the bad boy into a good boy. And we all know that that rarely works. My kid passed on a nice guy, is still chasing the guy that won't even walk across the floor to give her a kiss…demands she come to him. Women can be pretty stupid.

[mauricio]

I'm talking about your pissing match with shoe. Both of you, cut it out. I don't care who stops arguing with the other first, I just want the bickering to stop. It's unproductive and it's de-railing the thread.

In reference to the comment that has to do with this thread, just to make sure, are you talking about the one where you started with I just read that now... and yes I agree with that post 100%

What i meant is if the following post is really that confusing that it is justified for shoe to think Im calling her black and that her arguments do not matter. I need a third party opinion to judge whether my grammar was actually that confusing. From my point of view I was clearly saying how trying to use average trends of the populations the speaker belongs too to dismiss his argument is cheap and irrational because you are not arguing with his actual specific points of his specific circumstance. To illustrate that point i made some hypothetical examples. About a crime with a white and black suspect and about an infanticide case with the mother and father as suspect. Was this really that confusing to understand:

Wow its amazing your incapacity to understand or properly read even such a simple and short post. Tell me when did i say anything about you insulting people? No i was talking about your lack of self awareness as you do shit like in this post dismissing people's words due to their characther traits and your perceived statistical relations between human groups and discrimination. How about we do this with women and black people instead of white males. hey the suspects are a black guy and a white guy mmm likely the criminal is the black guy so stop complaining about your imaginary white criminals. A baby was found dead murdered by one of his parents. Bet it was the women, you know women murder babies this much often than males i do not need to actually address the specifics or your argument i already know you are a black or a women statistics tell me you are the most likely culprit hur dur.  Males die more often at work, silly women stop complaining about imaginary safety concerns in your jobs.

[drunkenshoe]

The bad boy? You?  Dang. I think we all understand that for some reason a lot of women want the bad boy. I can only guess it is the idea that YOU changed the bad boy into a good boy. And we all know that that rarely works. My kid passed on a nice guy, is still chasing the guy that won't even walk across the floor to give her a kiss…demands she come to him. Women can be pretty stupid.

I don't get what you mean by a 'bad boy' here. Because you are describing an ordinary asshole who treats women badly and probably anyone else he can manage. That would never work for me. I don't see why would work for anyone else.

Bad boy is something different and I think it often gets confused with the usual asshole. Bad boy is a rebel. I have had a relationship with anarchist type for almost a ten years who was sued by gov who got injured in a protest -after all that happened- and he was the dreamy bad boy type in our book when we were younger. I have never been politically active in my life, but we all picked those men at that age. He never treated anyone badly, men or women. People looked up to him actually. It was a desired type in my 20s. They are often honest to boot, loyal to their word, loyal to their woman, friends, masculine and highly intelligent, proud, protective over women and sexually and generally agressive in behaviour; somewhat oddly conservative in their relationships, tough, never showing much emotion in public. They have beards even it is blasphemy as a fashion -it was in those years- long hair, they do not talk much, they are mostly not handsome, but ugly sexy, good in bed. They are highly reliable even after years you broke up. They usually have the similar hobbies even. Typical anarchist, socialist youth over here in my time. They are always atheists.

'Bad' boy. Because you are highly likley to get in trouble with them or they do by themselves. Never an asshole. Otherwise what you are describing up there sounds like a scene from bad romantic comedy to me.

[aitm]

Most "bad-boys" here are not "bad-boys" as much as they pretend to be. The play the role simply to fuck the gals that think they are taking a step up by being with them.

[drunkenshoe]

Most "bad-boys" here are not "bad-boys" as much as they pretend to be. The play the role simply to fuck the gals that think they are taking a step up by being with them.

Which would take a few conversations for any average woman to figure it out, if she dooes not wish to play along. You are describing American women as if they are all characters out of a stupid romantic movie or some tv show, aitm. Not realistic.

Men chase the 'wrong' skirt all the time. Do you think they are stupid? I don't. Neither I think they are pussy idiots. Monkey see, monkey want. 

It's like you are insisting on not getting women while you get the men for the very same reason. They are people with vaginas, a much more fun genitals and it is easier to get lucky for them. They like drama and challenge. Like men. Just in a different way.

The round room and the square box. The difference between a glass of cold water and diving in to a pool in a summer day. Ring a bell?

[aitm]

Which would take a few conversations for any average woman to figure it out... You are describing American women as if they are all characters out of a stupid romantic movie….

My dear… in this argument, I must defer to personal familiarity with the target as opposed to your assumptions of what american women are like based on……er…exactly how do you usurp the reality of a life time experience with the american woman as opposed to your, what….two week vacation here? A blog perhaps?

[Shiranu]

I would actually say aitm's position is somewhat accurate... but it is less to do with them being women or whatever and more to do with lower cultural standards. Intelligence is not an inherently sexy trait to the average American (woman or male).

[mauricio]

My dear… in this argument, I must defer to personal familiarity with the target as opposed to your assumptions of what american women are like based on……er…exactly how do you usurp the reality of a life time experience with the american woman as opposed to your, what….two week vacation here? A blog perhaps?

Using the classic shoe tactic against her

[PickelledEggs]

Shoesy, I would have quit when you were not behind...

[stromboli]

My criteria for dating back in the day was that they had all their fingers and toes and brushed regularly. Pretty much covers it.

[Draconic Aiur]

psychopath

[The Skeletal Atheist]

I dated a Wiccan once. He believed he was a witch, and good for him, but for me it meant that I would get kicked out of the room at 3 in the morning at random. He'd then proceed to throw spices around the room. Looking at it through the keyhole (Victorian house) it was like watching a kid play with with random shit. He was a bitch as well, so all in all a horrid time.

[drunkenshoe]

My dear… in this argument, I must defer to personal familiarity with the target as opposed to your assumptions of what american women are like based on……er…exactly how do you usurp the reality of a life time experience with the american woman as opposed to your, what….two week vacation here? A blog perhaps?

I wasn't comparing your experience of American women with my very limited experience of them. I am saying what you are saying is unrealistic, you are describing a character out of a romantic comedy. 

I don't read such blogs. They are offer the very kind of stuff you just put here.

[drunkenshoe]

Shoesy, I would have quit when you were not behind...

Really? What does that mean exactly? Because I think he sounds out of male Cosmopolitan. Pretty much in general he does. And that has nothing to do with his experience, it is about how he sees women.

What he is saying pretty much like women talking about men about 'giving to them as a reward' or 'rejecting them as a punishment'. You wouldn't believe how real and good that works.

Still both disgusting and completely wrong.

[drunkenshoe]

What aitm saying is exactly the stuff out of a male Cosmopolitan. "I fucked 200 women they are all suckers for assholes, bros. Let's go."

(Making a generalisation for the sake of the argument) What I am saying is that women are doing the same thing with men. Men are going after women who treats them that way ALL THE TIME. It's almost accepted that women cuold treat men the way he describes. It's just perfectly OK to chase that ass when you are a man, but it is 'hah women go after pretentious bad boys who are out to fuck them' when they are women. The things men buy into, also pretend to buy into, the things they do/put up just to get into women's pants can get pretty fucked up .... which is nothing wrong if that's what they want. There is nothing stupid or wrong with what women want to live also. The fantasy is different. It doesn't become baaad, because it is a woman and you don't find the fantasy attractive yourself.

This is a control mechanism as always. Another bullshit way to repress first women and then men.

You think it is more harmful to women? Why? Are the children? Stupid? Sorry, they are not, just because you don't like it. That's because what you are progrmmed to think about them because of their gender and th eplac eof that gender in society. I'm not sure if you are even aware of it. That's because of the traditional set of norms. It's OK when men do it; they do it everything for what they want anyway, but bad and sad when women do. Why? Man is a standard, that doesn't fit women. Pffft.

Guys, you really treat women as if they are some completely different alien species, anything but ordinary humans. It's fucked up. Then you complain about angry feminists. Myeh.