Recent stuff involving Islam on the forum

[GrinningYMIR]

I don't see much else in it, even right now I have a fake smile on my face while at Christmas, hating. I don't want to alienate shir but I'm tired of always seeing articles posted here that only show the extreme hate or extreme support of Muslims and others. I'm anti religion still, always will be, but in anti against all religions. And I'm sad that I live in a supposedly moderate nation but would be thrown out if people knew what I was

[drunkenshoe]

I don't see much else in it, even right now I have a fake smile on my face while at Christmas, hating. I don't want to alienate shir but I'm tired of always seeing articles posted here that only show the extreme hate or extreme support of Muslims and others. I'm anti religion still, always will be, but in anti against all religions. And I'm sad that I live in a supposedly moderate nation but would be thrown out if people knew what I was

First of all, this is apublic forum and everyone is entitled to their opinions, GYMIR. If we start to tell people what to post, we wouldn't be different from any religious site.

Secondly, it's also very obvious what Shiranu is reacting to. He is reacting to one sided bullshit. This forum gets one sided very easily and people are ready to jump on any bandwagons -some live on them- most people also don't like anything out of  mainstream and the usual trend is just to look cool to others.

You don't have to like anyone's opinions, but demanding that they stop stating their opinions will just result people and me saying to you 'tough, deal with it'. Especially, when you are constantly complaining of lving in a household where you can't open your mouth about your lack of faith, your sexual orientation or any other opinions. You are trying to do what others are doing to you and that makes you miserable.

[GrinningYMIR]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it is an pinion forum, so I'm entitled to not like what he's saying. So that's all

[drunkenshoe]

I'm amused and annoyed that people think that Shiranu -or pr126 or anyone else for that matter- are expected to be less stubborn about their opinions than others, just because they don't fit the common norm and getting a backlash for posting what they think. One would think you learned a bit about that with me.

Put them on ignore. Or just ignore them. This is not some place we tell people what to post about what.

[drunkenshoe]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that it is an pinion forum, so I'm entitled to not like what he's saying. So that's all

No, I don't agree that you are just saying 'I don't like what he is saying'. If that was the case, you'd post to him and say 'I don't like what you are aying and don't agree with it' and done with it. It's not what you are doing. It's also not just you and actually, people obviously triggered each other about Shiranu-pr126 conversations. If other people didn't give similar reactions, you wouldn't post this thread.

Also make up your mind, GYMIR. It started to look like you are using your situation at home to make up excuses about bashing a conversation between two other people that you don't like. Use the ignore button, if it is that difficult. A lot of people uses that button for me. Because after some point, it becomes a childish whining. 

[Sargon The Grape]

Hate doesn't do good to anyone, GYMIR. Especially the one who hates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtFLzGRfVnA

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Grinn, time to move on. If life at home is so bad then move on.  Get a bus ticket and move to somewhere else where you feel safer. Hating religion isn't going to solve didly squat and embracing mistreatment of others isn't going to make your life one bit better.
I moved on many times in my life and I'm at a point where I'm happy, but pinning your hopes on hate is a zero sum game..

[Youssuf Ramadan]

I hate Muslims and I hate Christians

I don't care if either is mistreated

All of them?  Doesn't blind hate make you as bad as them?  If you'd said 'fundamentalists' I think you'd have made a lot more sense.

[FaithIsFilth]

All of them?  Doesn't blind hate make you as bad as them?  If you'd said 'fundamentalists' I think you'd have made a lot more sense.

Technically, hating people never makes sense. We can not do other than what we do. The Christians actually have it right on this one. We should hate the sin, not the sinner. I'm not saying I don't get feelings of hate for some people from time to time. It's hard to avoid feeling this way, but it's certainly not something that has any sense to it. We are all victims of our circumstances in life. I don't even hate some of the world's biggest scumbags like Barack Obama or Usama Bin Laden, let alone the average religious fundamentalist who is guilty of far less than those scumbags. If they are preaching, for instance, about Muslims having the right to beat their wives, I wouldn't hate this person, but I would certainly hate their words and hate how they view the world.

[josephpalazzo]

Technically, hating people never makes sense. We can not do other than what we do. The Christians actually have it right on this one. We should hate the sin, not the sinner. I'm not saying I don't get feelings of hate for some people from time to time. It's hard to avoid feeling this way, but it's certainly not something that has any sense to it. We are all victims of our circumstances in life. I don't even hate some of the world's biggest scumbags like Barack Obama or Usama Bin Laden, let alone the average religious fundamentalist who is guilty of far less than those scumbags. If they are preaching, for instance, about Muslims having the right to beat their wives, I wouldn't hate this person, but I would certainly hate their words and hate how they view the world.

I think you live in LA-LA land. Ask any Jew who has suffered from the Holocaust if he/she doesn't hate Hitler!! In many occasions, the sin and the sinner become indistinguishable. No, the Christians don't have it right on this one, either.

[FaithIsFilth]

I think you live in LA-LA land. Ask any Jew who has suffered from the Holocaust if he/she doesn't hate Hitler!!

Where did I say Jews don't hate Hitler? Anyone is free to hate anyone else. That doesn't mean there is any sense to that hate.

Sam Harris explains this really well. I'll try to find the video.

[josephpalazzo]

Where did I say Jews don't hate Hitler? Anyone is free to hate anyone else. That doesn't mean there is any sense to that hate.

Sam Harris explains this really well. I'll try to find the video.

You missed the point -your claim was "hate the sin, not the sinner". It doesn't apply, particularly to Jews who have suffered from the Holocaust.

[FaithIsFilth]

You missed the point -your claim was "hate the sin, not the sinner". It doesn't apply, particularly to Jews who have suffered from the Holocaust.

Jews hating Hitler is understandable, but also illogical.

I found the video. The part about hate comes a few minutes after the 40 minute mark.  [spoiler]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCofmZlC72g[/spoiler]

This may be derailing the thread a bit, so I apologise for that. Sam pretty much says there is no logic in hating people, similarly to how there is no logic in hating a grizzly bear. The only difference between you and Hitler, is luck. The rest is all just an illusion. I didn't choose not to be a rapist. I can't take credit for not raping. You can't take credit for not murdering. This is just the way our lives have played out so far. We've been lucky. If you or I were born in Hitler's shoes, we would have to kill just as many people as he did. He had to do it, so when it comes down to it, when we hate human beings, we are pretty much hating them just for being unlucky. I would never call a Jew stupid for hating Hitler. It's human nature to hate. I even feel hate for human beings at times, even though I know very well that there is no logic behind that hate. I try not to hate, though. At this moment in time, I hate no one.

[josephpalazzo]

Sam pretty much says there is no logic in hating people, similarly to how there is no logic in hating a grizzly bear.

It's a moot point. You can't apply logic to hate, or to any emotion for that matter. But people will hate whether it's the sin or sinner. And humans are not necessarily always logic. And it's a good thing as logic is limited. We would be diminished were we just being logical.

[Sargon The Grape]

It's a moot point. You can't apply logic to hate, or to any emotion for that matter. But people will hate whether it's the sin or sinner. And humans are not necessarily always logic. And it's a good thing as logic is limited. We would be diminished were we just being logical.