Hi All

[Spockrates]

As a person who has obviously read the book several more times than you, and as this particular quote in Matthew Mark and Luke are very well known and a point of contention for quite awhile, I would say the same thing we atheist always say: It is well known the average atheist knows the babble far better than the pretender christian.

To you I would say, stop pasting your babble search quotes and maybe, you know, really read the piece of shit for the first time. Front to back and no skipping and no asking Siri what she thinks it means.

OK, I appreciate your answering my questions. Peace A dog!

:)

[aitm]

OK, I appreciate your answering my questions.

Figs are for the poor but lamb as well goes to the pharaoh and the branch has nothing but roots..
(that is how I interpreted your response, you know, make up something if you don't like what it really says eh?)  :)

[Spockrates]

Figs are for the poor but lamb as well goes to the pharaoh and the branch has nothing but roots..
(that is how I interpreted your response, you know, make up something if you don't like what it really says eh?)  :)

:)

[Solomon Zorn]

These are the passages in question, Spockrates.

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
- Matthew 16:28

And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
- Mark 9:1

“Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God.”
- Luke 9:27

It's a false prophecy.

[Baruch]

Yes, false ... according to literal reading.  But it depends on what Kingdom of G-d means ... and apologetics has explained that many centuries ago.  But we speak of a literature ... I don't expect any prophecies of Naruto to come true either in our universe.  In our universe according to how I understand the passage (which is the same as yours) ... but in the infinity of parallel universes, which to our POV are fictional, the logic of those narratives come true ... many parallel universes breathed into life by us.  In the universe of the Gettysburg Address ... the US is a decent place to live in ... wish I could portal over to it ;-)

[Solomon Zorn]

I mean this as a compliment, Baruch: you are an eloquent bullshitter.

[SGOS]

Yes, false ... according to literal reading.  But it depends on what Kingdom of G-d means ...

You're jerkin' our chain, right?

and apologetics has explained that

It depends on what you mean by apologetics.

many centuries ago.

It depends on what you mean by centuries.

"I didn't have sex with that woman."
"It depends on what you mean by sex."  - Bill Clinton

[aitm]

Yes, but by god he means every word exactly when he says: He that layeth with a man like a woman shall surely be put to death..... no fucking changing the words there eh?

[Baruch]

Y'all are projecting on me like Playboy porn at a Catholic youth group slide show (remember those slide projectors back in the day).

And yes, if I must live in a cess pool (this world), I want my shit to be the most eloquent of the bunch, that way I got something for my edumacation ;-)

Well, apologetics is apologetics does.  "Momma always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them."

Solomon - it was kind of you to look things up for him.

[aitm]

Y'all are projecting on me

No we're not, just yelling in general. Not at you at all...well, I'm not anyway.

Solomon - it was kind of you to look things up for him.

cause them christers which brag about how often they have read the book can't seem to find the verses they don't recall "seeing"..LOLOL

[wolf39us]

Welcome to the forum!  I'm not here often... but I do pop in from time to time.

[popsthebuilder]

I am familiar with the judgments each christian sect renders on all other sects.  They all believe they have the most direct if not the only, pipeline to god.  That is endlessly fascinating to me in that their all everything and perfect god (aren't they all???!) wants to narrow down those who make it to heaven such a minute number of people--people that he created in his own perfect all everything image.  Doesn't that alone demonstrate that this god is not perfect nor all everything.  Doesn't make sense--but then, theists use belief and not reason to figure out if there is a god or not.  So, I guess, it does make sense.  Theists do not need nor particularly reasons or facts to enter into this decision--only beliefs. 

What I'm interested in, is what about god makes you a believer?  And it matters not if other 'christians' think the way you do--only interested in what you think--or believe.

What have I discovered?  Much--and nothing.  The nothing part.  This is not one single data or fact that leads me to think there is a god.  It is all based on belief.  It is not possible for a god that creates the universe and wants to communicate to his 'children' to leave not a single piece of actual data to prove that.  Or to even suggest that it/he/she exists.  The 'fact' there is not any data at all is a proof to me that god/gods only exist in the minds of man.  Nothing real here. 

The much part--the history of the bible (and all other 'sacred literature') offers no 'facts' other than the 'I say it is so, therefore it is so' type of fact.  The bible is clearly man made and for clearly human reasons.  The same can be said of Jesus.  He is not mentioned by one person outside the bible as being real.  The most one can get is that some writers use the word 'christian', which only indicates that there were those who believed--and offer no proof of a flesh and blood person.  There is nothing but beliefs to support the bible or the jesus myth.  Nothing. 

I will change my mind if some empirical data  ever shows up.  I don't have a problem with changing my mind about much of anything.  Well, I will never change my mind about ice cream--it is simply the best food group out there!  Other than that, my mind is open.  And I have changed my mind about Jesus/jesus  a couple of times.  And I have tried to make Christianity fit my life a couple of times--it just did not work out.  But with some empirical data, it must might.

True Christianity is the following of The teachings of Crist to the fullest ability of the flesh.

You made a statement that caught my attention.

Something along the Lines of " God resides in the faithful"

This is a true statement. It is relative to Faith and the proof of God that by nature is nonemperialic.

Thanks, respectfully

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

[Mike Cl]

True Christianity is the following of The teachings of Crist to the fullest ability of the flesh.
Me--That is exactly the same as saying True Toothists are those who follow the teachings of the Tooth Fairy.  Equal nonsense!

You made a statement that caught my attention.
Me--Whoopty fucking do...........................

Something along the Lines of " God resides in the faithful"
Me---That is true.  But faith is a belief in that which cannot be proven.  So, god resides in the Stupid!  And gullible. 

This is a true statement. It is relative to Faith and the proof of God that by nature is nonemperialic.
Me--Yeah, I know it is.  Which is why I don't think god exists.  Yes, god is without proof of any kind.  I have not one single reason to believe in god/gods.  Faith matters not to me--it is as meaningless as your god. 

Thanks, respectfully
Me--Yeah, sure.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good
Me--God and good don't go together.  Good can be proven and demonstrated--god cannot.

[popsthebuilder]

Your self deception may unfortinatly only be proven to you upon  death. I pray that this not be the case. Thank you.

Faith in selfless Unity through Good

[aitm]

Your self deception may unfortinatly only be proven to you upon  death

Your self deception may unfortinatly only be proven to you upon  death, but you will never know it, this is reality.