Why I like gays and mormons.

[Mike Cl]

Since I am no longer an engineer, I no longer think like an engineer.  I am indeed thinking like a non-focused philosopher.  At this time I am also trying to avoid becoming focused because I do not want to start making value judgements.  Then I might become a real asshole.  Do you think I would become more accepted then?  :-)

Yes.  Without a doubt.  Why?  Because the biggest asshole of all is the one who starts discussions, does not really participate other than to make comments on the comments; who adds nothing to the content of said discussion and then tells us that he is now retired and therefore too lazy to think.  When a person thinks they naturally come to conclusions.  If the person really is into thinking (of the critical type) they will take whatever criticism is generated about said topic, and then either reject (with a reason) the criticism or incorporate that criticism into their thinking.  That is how one grows in thinking ability and intelligence.  So far, Giveme, you are regressing in your thinking ability.  I see you as more and more, residing in the emotional side of arguments, which puts you into the native land of the religious--not the land of the critical thinker.  As you are getting older, apparently you are getting fuzzier in your thinking.

[Givemeareason]

Yes.  Without a doubt.  Why?  Because the biggest asshole of all is the one who starts discussions, does not really participate other than to make comments on the comments; who adds nothing to the content of said discussion and then tells us that he is now retired and therefore too lazy to think.  When a person thinks they naturally come to conclusions.  If the person really is into thinking (of the critical type) they will take whatever criticism is generated about said topic, and then either reject (with a reason) the criticism or incorporate that criticism into their thinking.  That is how one grows in thinking ability and intelligence.  So far, Giveme, you are regressing in your thinking ability.  I see you as more and more, residing in the emotional side of arguments, which puts you into the native land of the religious--not the land of the critical thinker.  As you are getting older, apparently you are getting fuzzier in your thinking.

What if I am just posting other ideas and hoping others will join in that we might consider or reconsider these ideas together?  I like looking at things from different angles.  Its a bit late for me to start changing the world.  Okay, I will put my thinking cap back on.  Is there something I need to take a firm opinion on?  I have made it pretty clear that I do not see any benefit in the idea that religion needs to be eradicated.

[Mike Cl]

What if I am just posting other ideas and hoping others will join in that we might consider or reconsider these ideas together?  I like looking at things from different angles.  Its a bit late for me to start changing the world.  Okay, I will put my thinking cap back on.  Is there something I need to take a firm opinion on?  I have made it pretty clear that I do not see any benefit in the idea that religion needs to be eradicated.

What do you mean--put your thinking cap back on???? I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever worn it.  You make pronouncements with nothing to back them up.  You give no facts.  You do not define terms.  It would be nice if you could start doing that.

You say--"I have made it pretty clear that I do not see any benefit in the idea that religion needs to be eradicated."
Yes, you have said that.  But you have yet to give one reason why you think that.  I would think that as an engineer critical thinking would be important to you.  Did you not have to solve problems using critical thinking skills and math????  You have yet to show me you know much about either of those subjects.  You make airy-fairy claims and leave it at that--you have no grounding in any kind of reality I'm aware of.  You say the religious 'need' their religion.  Well, the dope addict needs his dope.  Does that make his need right?  A criminal needs to break the law, does that make his need right?  I say our society needs to have religion done away with.  Organized religion has been and still is, the bane of every civilization that it has existed in.  If you do not think that, then show me where I'm wrong.  Show me some civilizations that were not harmed by having religions within them.  Give me so reasons why I'm wrong.  Don't use terms like, sincere, logical, or needs without defining what you mean.  I realize that this may be too difficult for you, but I'd like to see what you can come up with.  Sincerely--I do.

[Givemeareason]

What do you mean--put your thinking cap back on???? I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever worn it.  You make pronouncements with nothing to back them up.  You give no facts.  You do not define terms.  It would be nice if you could start doing that.

You say--"I have made it pretty clear that I do not see any benefit in the idea that religion needs to be eradicated."
Yes, you have said that.  But you have yet to give one reason why you think that.  I would think that as an engineer critical thinking would be important to you.  Did you not have to solve problems using critical thinking skills and math????  You have yet to show me you know much about either of those subjects.  You make airy-fairy claims and leave it at that--you have no grounding in any kind of reality I'm aware of.  You say the religious 'need' their religion.  Well, the dope addict needs his dope.  Does that make his need right?  A criminal needs to break the law, does that make his need right?  I say our society needs to have religion done away with.  Organized religion has been and still is, the bane of every civilization that it has existed in.  If you do not think that, then show me where I'm wrong.  Show me some civilizations that were not harmed by having religions within them.  Give me so reasons why I'm wrong.  Don't use terms like, sincere, logical, or needs without defining what you mean.  I realize that this may be too difficult for you, but I'd like to see what you can come up with.  Sincerely--I do.

Mike, I cannot believe you as naive as you sometimes sound.  And I do not believe you want me to start itemizing all the good that religion has given humanity.  You already know that but you just like focusing on the negative.  Take the other point of view.  If I were interested in debating I would be on a debate forum.  But you are surely right when you told me that I would like it here.  :-)

[Mike Cl]

Mike, I cannot believe you as naive as you sometimes sound.  And I do not believe you want me to start itemizing all the good that religion has given humanity.  You already know that but you just like focusing on the negative.  Take the other point of view.  If I were interested in debating I would be on a debate forum.  But you are surely right when you told me that I would like it here.  :-)

Well, Blowinginthewind, you seem to still be allergic to reasons.  I can see now why you retired--your brain stopped working.  Itemize some good that religion has done????  Yeah, give me the top two or three.  Ooops.......there I go again, hoping for a discussion with the exchange of ideas.  Oh stupid me.  Or naive.  A discussion is not a debate.  And disagreeing with somebody is not a debate.   

[Givemeareason]

Well, Blowinginthewind, you seem to still be allergic to reasons.  I can see now why you retired--your brain stopped working.  Itemize some good that religion has done????  Yeah, give me the top two or three.  Ooops.......there I go again, hoping for a discussion with the exchange of ideas.  Oh stupid me.  Or naive.  A discussion is not a debate.  And disagreeing with somebody is not a debate.

You certainly are persistent.  You are asking me to defend something I don't believe in to prove they have had a positive effect (for some people and certainly not you, I nor anyone else on this board) under the presumption that you or I might actually decide whether it is good or not.  Isn't this a bit absurd?  I cannot find anything unbiased to refer to.  Though I do think and even know that all religions have long offered people solace, comfort, assistance in many ways both physically and mentally, a path for them to follow regardless of how we might see it.  In general it has given people purpose and has added meaning to their lives.  Just because it may not be rational, are you going to tell me it has no value?  I will not agree with you so the best I could hope for is convincing you to agree with me.  RELIGION HAS VALUE

[Munch]

You right, religion does have value. The value of how church leaders squeeze all the money they can from the poor stupid manipulated fools who have been strung up by said faith through fear.

[Givemeareason]

You right, religion does have value. The value of how church leaders squeeze all the money they can from the poor stupid manipulated fools who have been strung up by said faith through fear.

You are a bigot. :-)

[Munch]

Bigotry involves race, sex and creed, it has nothing on messed up beliefs in fictional creation worship

[Givemeareason]

Bigotry involves race, sex and creed, it has nothing on messed up beliefs in fictional creation worship

Bigotry has no bounds.  You are an anti-religious bigot. :-)

[Solitary]

I'm personally prejudice against religion because it abuses and poisons children's minds with fear of a God and hell. All the good they do is to is to try and fix the harm they have done by their abuse and dogma, as well as take away their guilt. I'm prejudice against any hate group too, am I suppose to understand them too and show the good they do to? You are the first atheist troll I've came across, or a phony. olitary

[PickelledEggs]

Bigotry has no bounds.  You are an anti-religious bigot. :-)

"If you try to take down someone else's bully by ridiculing them, because they can't/need extra help, you are the bully" is what you are saying.

[Givemeareason]

"If you try to take down someone else's bully by ridiculing them, because they can't/need extra help, you are the bully" is what you are saying.

I am not sure what you are saying?  I don't mean to ridicule anyone and certainly not Munch.  I can be pretty thick skinned though.  My intention was only to banter with him.  I rather like his view of religion.  It is hard to convey these things.  Can you advise me?

[Givemeareason]

I'm personally prejudice against religion because it abuses and poisons children's minds with fear of a God and hell. All the good they do is to is to try and fix the harm they have done by their abuse and dogma, as well as take away their guilt. I'm prejudice against any hate group too, am I suppose to understand them too and show the good they do to? You are the first atheist troll I've came across, or a phony. olitary

What does it mean to say I am an atheist troll?  Are you referring to my not being a very good conformist?  Where do you get the idea I am a phony?.

[PickelledEggs]

I am not sure what you are saying?  I don't mean to ridicule anyone and certainly not Munch.  I can be pretty thick skinned though.  My intention was only to banter with him.  I rather like his view of religion.  It is hard to convey these things.  Can you advise me?

You are calling him a bigot for being against and ridiculing religion.
Many religions have been very hateful towards various things, women, atheists, non-caucasians, and also LGBTs. Religion has been very active in taking away rights from people, dehumanizing people to the point of worthless property or hell-bound scum, mental and physical torture.....