Why atheism over agnosticism?

[MagetheEntertainer]

I feel like most agnostic people just don't want to step on any toes or offend anyone.  Its really simple, do you believe in something or not?  Most Atheist do not just declare that God definitely does not exist, they just say its EXTREMELY unlikely and therefore they don't believe, so most Atheist are not sure that God isn't real, they are just sure that they don't believe in him/her/it.  It doesn't make much sense to me for someone to not be sure whether or not they believe if they've spent time pondering the topic.

[aitm]

my original life span was supposed to be 3 years, so i was once considered one of the ones who wouldnt make it

25, 000 children die every day, you are the exception and you willingly turn a blind eye to the death of others to claim you are special….how..christian of you.

i blame colonialism and greed

even though god himself claims that he alone is responsible for the authorities that govern you, that he alone decides who lives and dies, that he alone is the creator of good and evil….and you blame colonialism and greed….how…christian of you.

[Mermaid]

Yeah, I am an atheist. Logic tells me that we worship Gods and believe in mystical things because we need to explain things and feel protected. That doesn't mean I am asserting to anyone else that God definitely doesn't exist, it just means that is my perspective. I don't feel the need to put a label on it or justify it to anyone. It's what makes sense to me. It's not about proof, it's just my own logical conclusion.

[Contemporary Protestant]

youre an incredibly rude person

how dare you accuse me of turning a blind eye to children who die everyday
how dare you say that i think im special, if i was special i wouldnt have brain tumors and cysts
and i sure as hell wouldnt have a common condition
there are millions like me and billions who have it worse

im done, youre a jerk

[SNP1]

it isnt a strawman if i am not attacking it, i will be more specific in the future

what would be a coherent god?

A coherent god would be one that is defined that it's definition does not contradict with itself, and where its definition does not contradict with the facts that we know about the universe.

[aitm]

youre an incredibly rude person

how dare you accuse me of turning a blind eye to children who die everyday
how dare you say that i think im special, if i was special i wouldnt have brain tumors and cysts
and i sure as hell wouldnt have a common condition
there are millions like me and billions who have it worse

im done, youre a jerk

oh waaaahh! Cry me a river. You are the one babbling about god and all, yapping about how hard you had it but implying that somehow good ole god has granted you life and all the other ones still alive who are happy and all, but……25,000 die every day and you refuse to take issue with the same god you think is giving YOU life despite all the ailments he gave you, you must surely be special.  Yap yap yap. You are an apologist to the extreme, blinded by the injustice and cruelty of the very god you worship because the ailments you have hadn't killed you….yet. Meh, typical christian. The babble demands that if you truly believe your prayer will be answered, guaranteed! Whatsa matter? Don't you really believe?

[SNP1]

oh waaaahh! Cry me a river. You are the one babbling about god and all, yapping about how hard you had it but implying that somehow good ole god has granted you life and all the other ones still alive who are happy and all, but……25,000 die every day and you refuse to take issue with the same god you think is giving YOU life despite all the ailments he gave you, you must surely be special.  Yap yap yap. You are an apologist to the extreme, blinded by the injustice and cruelty of the very god you worship because the ailments you have hadn't killed you….yet. Meh, typical christian. The babble demands that if you truly believe your prayer will be answered, guaranteed! Whatsa matter? Don't you really believe?

I personally do not like that there is someone that is somewhat spreading his religious views on this site, but he has not been rude to people. He has not been shoving his views down people's throats. You are acting kinda like a douche.

No offense, but it is people like you that make atheism have a bad name. It is people like you that make it easier for theists to point at atheists and say "see, atheists are a**holes".

Instead of responding like a douche, use your brain. Respond with intellect in a non-douchey way. If that is too much to handle, then don't respond.

[dtq123]

25, 000 children die every day, you are the exception and you willingly turn a blind eye to the death of others to claim you are special….how..christian of you...

He is special, he lived! That enough would make any sane man happy!

even though god himself claims that he alone is responsible for the authorities that govern you, that he alone decides who lives and dies, that he alone is the creator of good and evil….and you blame colonialism and greed….how…christian of you.

My old denomination of the Catholic church didn't believe that, and (Probably, he doesn't either)

We believed works got you into heaven and that God controls nothing but that. He may have had been the creator of evil, but it manifests in us; not born into us.

[dtq123]

You are an apologist to the extreme

No, Kent Hovind was. This guy would be an amateur if you considered that.

Please refrain from attacking our "Friends" here
We are all just trying to find out what is best for us. Sometimes we disagree and should draw that line between us and them and leave.

[aitm]

OH sheesh, you guys have a short memory, the  guy claims that god does indeed answer and grant prayers but not apparently to him- typical excuse
He claims the babble has errors but is mostly correct- typical excuse
He claims that when jebus was killed that the verse that claims the dead came from their graves and walked through the city could had meant the dead in the underworld --typical excuse.
He has posted topics on verses to get you involved in discussing the babble while he makes up his stories as to what it really means. yeah..

Look, you want to play footsies and tosses, go right ahead. Yapping about how good and grand god and jebus are while making excuses as to why the babble has verses that we obviously misunderstand while he does, and because he is polite we should ignore the implied understanding that we don't understand god and jebus and he does, because….look, he has had a rough live…aww. Fine, I 'll leave the kid alone.

[Moloth]

25, 000 children die every day, you are the exception and you willingly turn a blind eye to the death of others to claim you are special….how..christian of you.

even though god himself claims that he alone is responsible for the authorities that govern you, that he alone decides who lives and dies, that he alone is the creator of good and evil….and you blame colonialism and greed….how…christian of you.

aitm, im sensing some projection going on here. I dont see where CP said any of those things.

Lets listen to what is being said, not what we assume.

Remember that belief is a spectrum. CP has already said that he is not a Calvinist nor is he particularly devout or literalist when it comes to his religion. He seems pretty damn liberal to me. Lets not attack him over something that he has not said.

[Moloth]

OH sheesh, you guys have a short memory, the  guy claims that god does indeed answer and grant prayers but not apparently to him- typical excuse
He claims the babble has errors but is mostly correct- typical excuse
He claims that when jebus was killed that the verse that claims the dead came from their graves and walked through the city could had meant the dead in the underworld --typical excuse.
He has posted topics on verses to get you involved in discussing the babble while he makes up his stories as to what it really means. yeah..

Look, you want to play footsies and tosses, go right ahead. Yapping about how good and grand god and jebus are while making excuses as to why the babble has verses that we obviously misunderstand while he does, and because he is polite we should ignore the implied understanding that we don't understand god and jebus and he does, because….look, he has had a rough live…aww. Fine, I 'll leave the kid alone.

is making an example out of him really conducive? Save the fire for those who really deserve it.
He didnt come here claiming absolute truth or to convert... he came here looking to learn and converse.

[Mike Cl]

We believed works got you into heaven and that God controls nothing but that. He may have had been the creator of evil, but it manifests in us; not born into us.

The problem with that line of belief is mindboggling to me.  What are 'works' and why did not god deliver a clear message about what works are and how to do those works.  If god controls nothing but allowing people into heaven, then he is a very, very poor god.  Did god not create the universe and all that it contains--or not?????  And if god is the creator of evil then is he not responsible for all that flows from that creation???  And does that not make him infinitely more dangerous and evil than the devil?   

[Contemporary Protestant]

in christianity evil is seen as the opposite of God, a quality of separation

Moloth, i actually consider myself devout but i do not hold loyalty to the Christian right, my church is more about volunteering and helping the community, which i am very much on board with. I am a doubter, to the point i could be considered agnostic, but i very much believe in the cause of helping the poor, it is the humanitarianism of the Church that i am devoted to

[Munch]

I feel like most agnostic people just don't want to step on any toes or offend anyone.  Its really simple, do you believe in something or not?  Most Atheist do not just declare that God definitely does not exist, they just say its EXTREMELY unlikely and therefore they don't believe, so most Atheist are not sure that God isn't real, they are just sure that they don't believe in him/her/it.  It doesn't make much sense to me for someone to not be sure whether or not they believe if they've spent time pondering the topic.

For me, its more the basis that listening to crazy people claiming god is real, and using the stories from the bible as their footing for claiming his existence, is just further cementing the made up stories. It also gives reflection on how when your a child, your told father christmas and the easter bunny are real, but later learn your parents were making it up to make you happy, which is all religion is, made up stories by cult like organisations to control people on mass.