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Uvalde School Shooting

Started by Blackleaf, May 27, 2022, 03:42:18 AM

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Blackleaf

Surprised there isn't a thread about this yet. Guess that goes to how how unsurprising it is to hear about another school shooting in America. This time, it was in Uvalde, Texas, at an elementary school.

What stands out to me this time was the baffling incompetence of the local police. So many things they did wrong. First, before entering the school, the shooter fired randomly. People immediately called 911. It should have only taken officers 3 minutes to arrive. It took them fourteen.

An armed officer was posted as the "good guy with a gun" to guard the school. They offered no resistance. When police arrived, officers with children entered the school to find their own kids and escort them out, then left the rest of the kids on their own. They did not engage with the active shooter.

Police waited an hour for backup, forming a perimeter to keep out the parents with the spines to do what they were too cowardly to do themselves. The shoved, handcuffed, and possibly even maced the parents, who screamed in horror as they listened to the sounds of gunshots.

According to a child who survived, police said to the children, "Yell help, if you need help!" One of the girls screamed for help. The gunman, who they had not taken care of yet, then found and shot her to death.

After nearly an hour, the National Guard appeared. They entered and finally killed the murderer.

Governor Greg Abbot congratulated the police on their good work at a press conference, where he conveniently left out any details that made the police look bad.

This fucking infuriates me. How the police could just stand there waiting for backup while children 10 and younger are slaughtered. "To protect and serve" my ass. Worse, I know it is unlikely anything will be done about this while NRA puppets like Abbot and Cruz are in office.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Shiranu

#1
I didn't know those details about the response; I already thought the investigation was necessary because the cops killed someone (no matter how guilty he was)... but now I see it was Necessary(tm) necessary.

This changes my opinion of them, but ultimately I do still think that a logical level you have to ultimately blame the people training them - think about your average cop... let's be 100% honest with ourselves, he is not fit to go into a warzone. That comes down to their training, and you can only blame so much of that (though still blame all the same) on the cop, and so much of it on the corrupt police unions that seem to be intentionally teaching our cops false information to give them a Rambo complex.

And yet unfortunately as our society collapses that is more and more what America will be; an urban warzone... which means the "civilian cops" will be pushed aside for the militarized and authoritarian forces we already see in big cities. I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing wealthier, smaller towns and districts of massive cities start hiring private mercenaries (er, sorry, "contractors") to provide security for the elite... while those of us who are left in the growing slums of America have to deal with all the backlash and they live in growing luxury.

This is about guns 100%, and anyone who argues otherwise is an idiot, but guns are a symptom that only makes up a small fraction of the deeper social and political rot that is dragging us into oblivion. If that problem isn't fixed, guns will be the least of our problems... and it may reach a point where guns are our only protection from that very problem, and one of the two parties causing it are actively attempting to take them away... not maliciously (I hope), but in a "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" sort of way.

Films like "Bladerunner" and "Elysium", books like "Neuromancer" and "Dune"... these artists explicitly stated these were warnings, and yet we didn't listen to them... the scientists, the economists, the experts who told us that our actions would have consequences down the road... and those consequences are getting bumpier and bumpier and we still refuse to listen.
Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

Blackleaf

#2
These cops are good for nothing more than writing parking tickets. Too chickenshit to save children from an active shooter, but they have no problem roughing up the terrified parents. They're not willing to be the heroes, but they won't step aside and let the armed parents show them up.

Absolutely disgraceful, and you can't believe a word they say about the investigation/cover-up. They keep changing their story. First they say the cop assigned to protect the school was "brave," but forced to retreat. Now they say he wasn't there. How much you wanna bet he did something shameful they don't want to admit to?
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Hydra009

What I want to know is that if cops aren't prepared to stop an active shooter, what is even the point of having cops?

Shiranu

I was going to get real sarcastic with that answer, but not in the mood other than just saying fuck cops.
Every day is a good day to *remove from server* an autocrat.

Hydra009

I mean, do we really need protestors to be brutalized and old men to be shoved to the ground?

Hydra009



Here's what he needs to do: write up a resignation letter, apply to be a walmart greeter.  Cause standing around is apparently all this guy is good for.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 29, 2022, 08:26:39 AM

Here's what he needs to do: write up a resignation letter, apply to be a walmart greeter.  Cause standing around is apparently all this guy is good for.

Someone DID tell them what to do! Parents screamed at them for forty minutes, telling them to go in and save the children.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Mermaid

A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Blackleaf

"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Hydra009



In any sane country, this would be a career-ender.

Blackleaf

Quote from: Hydra009 on May 30, 2022, 03:55:10 PM

In any sane country, this would be a career-ender.

Wooooow. I'm inching closer to ACAB with every statement they release.
"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville

Hydra009

Quote from: Blackleaf on May 30, 2022, 05:08:44 PMWooooow. I'm inching closer to ACAB with every statement they release.
Join the club.

And between not helping in an actual crisis, there's news that they attempted to summarily execute an unarmed pregnant woman.

And they made the super sensible choice of handcuffing her while she was bleeding out on the ground from their unwarranted brutal attack.  :/

Hydra009


Blackleaf

#14


They sure are brave when dealing with unarmed civilians.

"Oh, wearisome condition of humanity,
Born under one law, to another bound;
Vainly begot, and yet forbidden vanity,
Created sick, commanded to be sound."
--Fulke Greville