A Fertilized Egg Isn't a Person

Started by FrankDK, June 27, 2013, 02:09:11 PM

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Hakurei Reimu

Quote from: "Mermaid"It was recently explained to me that children are not ours. God gives them to us and entrusts us with them. They are God's children. BC is wrong because it keeps God from giving you the children He wants to give you. It is not our job or place to intervene. Abortion is wrong because it kills the children God gives you. If God gives you a child, it is your responsibility to take care of His child.
:-k So every child is his son/daughter? Way to dilute the importance of Jesus to nil!
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Quote from: "Hakurei Reimu"
Quote from: "Mermaid"It was recently explained to me that children are not ours. God gives them to us and entrusts us with them. They are God's children. BC is wrong because it keeps God from giving you the children He wants to give you. It is not our job or place to intervene. Abortion is wrong because it kills the children God gives you. If God gives you a child, it is your responsibility to take care of His child.
:-k So every child is his son/daughter? Way to dilute the importance of Jesus to nil!

HR, you're forgetting that Jesus was also God, while still being his own son simultaneously. :D Because that makes wonderful sense! :rollin:
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WitchSabrina

Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "FrankDK"A Fertilized Egg Isn't a Person

No more than a fertilised chicken egg is a whole chicken.


That's all I ever have to say..........  "Is a fertilized chicken egg a chicken?"  
Because it's not. :rollin:
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AllPurposeAtheist

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Quote from: "FrankDK"A Fertilized Egg Isn't a Person

No more than a fertilised chicken egg is a whole chicken.


That's all I ever have to say..........  "Is a fertilized chicken egg a chicken?"  
Because it's not. :rollin:
I demand congress ban partial fried eggs.. :shock:
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Mermaid

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I demand congress ban partial fried eggs.. :shock:
But soft boiled eggs are OK!? Heathen!
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Aupmanyav

Quote from: "FrankDK"And even if they try to split hairs and claim that conception occurs at implantation, splitting of the zygote in monoplacental monozygotic twins occurs after implantation, so the argument still holds.
One pregnancy can result in birth of multiple persons, all that God needs to do is to breath in six, seven, eight, nine, or ten times (Yahoo, Brazil in 1946).
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Hydra009

Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
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Quote from: "FrankDK"A Fertilized Egg Isn't a Person
No more than a fertilised chicken egg is a whole chicken.
That's all I ever have to say..........  "Is a fertilized chicken egg a chicken?"  
Because it's not. :rollin:
Someday, I'd like to be part of an anti-abortion potluck lunch.  I'd bring a bunch of eggs and tell everyone I brought chicken.   :-D

AllPurposeAtheist

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Jason78

Quote from: "WitchSabrina"
Quote from: "Jason78"
Quote from: "FrankDK"A Fertilized Egg Isn't a Person

No more than a fertilised chicken egg is a whole chicken.


That's all I ever have to say..........  "Is a fertilized chicken egg a chicken?"  
Because it's not. :rollin:

Can you imagine ordering a chicken in a restaurant and getting served with a fertilised egg?
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AllPurposeAtheist

Just think of the carnage at Waffle House and the other mass fertilized egg butchery's out there. You never see the anti abortion crowd picketing them, but we all know it's high time..  :x
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PickelledEggs

Quote from: "Jason78"Can you imagine ordering a chicken in a restaurant and getting served with a fertilised egg?
I would pay a chef top dollar to serve one of my fundie buddies one of those. That would be hilarious.

missingnocchi

Quote from: "FrankDK"> Except they dont say an egg becomes a human upon fertilization. They say human life begins at conception. In that minor wording difference lies the way out of your logic trap.

Not really.  Conception and fertilization are essentially the same.  This from the Free Dictionary:

con·cep·tion  (kn-spshn)
n.
1.
a. Formation of a viable zygote by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; fertilization.
b. The entity formed by the union of the male sperm and female ovum; an embryo or zygote.

And even if they try to split hairs and claim that conception occurs at implantation, splitting of the zygote in monoplacental monozygotic twins occurs after implantation, so the argument still holds.

Besides, there are many claims, including those in anti-abortion laws, that state human life begins at fertilization:

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/artic ... otes2.html
Life Begins at Fertilization
The following references illustrate the fact that a new human embryo, the starting point for a human life, comes into existence with the formation of the one-celled zygote:

http://www.prolifephysicians.org/lifebegins.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... n/2058515/
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas legislators gave final passage to a sweeping anti-abortion measure Friday night, sending Gov. Sam Brownback a bill that declares life begins "at fertilization"

Frank

I think you misunderstood. He wasn't referring to the change from "fertilization" to "conception," he meant the change from "a human" to "human life." Twins can't be "a human," but they sure can be "human life."
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Mai Mariarti

watch "Through the Wormhole S04E02 When Does Life Begin"
You'll be surprised.

Colanth

Pro-lie viewpoint:

When God splits a fertilized egg in half (or thirds or ...), he makes sure that the person splits into multiple persons.
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