Started by 374621, November 10, 2016, 06:02:19 PM
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 12, 2016, 08:17:59 PMI think the Native Americans were among the few who got society right. Then the Europeans showed up.
Quote from: 374621 on November 11, 2016, 06:10:56 AMPersonally for me moral are rules which you live or try to live by, like the golden rule, never stealing unless you really have to like our starving, or never cheating on your partner. I dont have morals i think currently in my life, im deciding how ill live my life or if ill always be all over the place like sometimes im nice and want to be a good person because it feels good but sometimes im selfish and am willing to screw over other people if it benefits mei dont like the word morality because it involves rules that you impose upon yourself, if it wasnt illegal and i would never get caught and i dint feel guilty or remorse or experienced any "bad" feelings by doing it that it would benefit me somehow there would be no reason for me not to steal not to lie etc, if i enjoyed hitting dogs for no reason merely because it felt good for example, which i dont btw, but if it felt good i would honestly do it, some people may say thats immoral or wrong but you cant give me any reason for me to not do it
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 12, 2016, 08:28:31 PMSome did--others not so much.
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on November 11, 2016, 10:53:23 AMLet me break down the basic "primitive" morality:1. Don't kill members of your own tribe. 2. Share your resources with your tribe. 3. Assist members of your tribe.Of course there's a bit more than that, and some nuances, but those are the three main "rules". Tribalism makes it easier to kill members of a another group. They're not human anymore to you, because they're an outsider. Likewise a slave master would not feel guilty for mistreating his slaves because they are not "human" to him. This attachment to other humans regardless of what group they're part of is due to cultural influences that are taught to you from birth. You begin to see all other humans as part of your tribe. That's why the military tries to deprogram that in a way, they try to make the enemy seem as less than human or as outsiders to your tribe. That's also why it's so easy for someone in a group like ISIS to so casually behead someone, they see anyone not sufficiently Islamic to them as outside the tribe. There is nothing wrong according to the primitive morality with killing or mistreating things outside of your tribe.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 12, 2016, 08:16:59 PMDon't you think it's inefficient to try and track down every criminal before they really start their "careers"?
Quote from: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 10:13:25 AMResource scarcity drives human violence. Central Mexico is a scrub desert, Yucatan is a jungle ... both are hard places to live in. Once your population gets to big, and the resources are marginal to begin with you become Easter Island.Ah, but we do love or Noble Savage myth of Rousseau! So 1970s, so crying native.
Quote from: Gawdzilla Sama on November 10, 2016, 06:35:08 PMAnimals other than humans show morality. "Groom and be groomed", for example.
Quote from: Mike Cl on November 13, 2016, 10:44:27 AMThe Noble Native American is sort of like the bible. One can find whatever they want to trot out as the best example of something or to prove their point. The Native Americans (who were not really Native since all human life comes from Africa) were/are people. Each group, tribe or nation had great points and some not so great. Sort of like people everywhere. But we cannot escape the fact that they were here prior to the Europeans (or any other group) and did not deserve what history dealt to them.
Quote from: Baruch on November 13, 2016, 10:14:47 AMPeople who are into pre-crime aren't worried about efficiency. They are paranoid. The original pre-crime effort was spanking your children.
Quote from: Absurd Atheist on November 13, 2016, 03:41:02 PMfair enough, however I don't know if the society-citizen relationship is as strong or close a bond as the parent-child relationship, at least not in the modern day.
Quote from: Solomon Zorn on November 14, 2016, 02:37:20 PMI don't think we are so completely disconnected from each other, that we don't feel something instinctively when we cheat, steal or kill.