All lives matter?

[drunkenshoe]

Meaning?

[PickelledEggs]

It's not that you agree/disagree at this point. It's that you flat out told him to go "fuck himself" and that he's a "piece of shit".

It's not nonsenesei's or anyone else's fault that they can't understand how you got to talking about whatever tangent you're talking about and arguing with them about things they didn't say or even imply.


I'm sorry that you can't see how unnecessarily argumentative you're being right now.

[PickelledEggs]

If you're really that stressed about things going on in your part of the world and you can't have a civil discussion, maybe you need to take another voluntary break from the forum, or at least avoid the topics that agitate your stress and bring out this hostile side of you.

[drunkenshoe]

It's not that you agree/disagree at this point. It's that you flat out told him to go "fuck himself" and that he's a "piece of shit".

Yeah and he deserved that because he has been posting to me but not about anything I write for a long time now.

It's not nonsenesei's or anyone else's fault that they can't understand how you got to talking about whatever tangent you're talking about and arguing with them about things they didn't say or even imply.

Oh that take Nonsensei out of that line. I have been in many conflicts with many different people in this forum. And his position has nothing to do with whatever is mine, but just simple hatred of someone online.

I'm sorry that you can't see how unnecessarily argumentative you're being right now.

It seems like you have been 'sorry' a lot lately about whoever doesn't agree with a certain point you like. Somehow you and a certain band solved everything and every opinion out of that is wrong and off base.

[drunkenshoe]

If you're really that stressed about things going on in your part of the world and you can't have a civil discussion, maybe you need to take another voluntary break from the forum, or at least avoid the topics that agitate your stress and bring out this hostile side of you.

Oh you didn't just say that. Do you have any idea how offensive and unfair is that?

All the reason you are jacked about this topic is because of the political climate and elections is in your country. How can you say something like that  to me?

[Shiranu]

All the reason you are jacked about this topic is because of the political climate and elections is in your country

I'm actually going to have to disagree with you there, I think this is something that has been lurking on the internet (and I guess in the minds of people in "the real world") for awhile now. His argument is basically the same as my mom has made for years; "How dare those blacks get so uppity and think they are special! They are just being spoiled and want freebees and to put 'the whiteman' in what they think is our place! It's really offensive to me!".

The ignorance of minority groups maybe, just maybe, having some reason to be pissed off is nothing new. It's just becoming more and more noticeable as minorities get more and more pissed off and think they have a right to be treated equally as well. White people and men just haven't had to vocally say it because it was always taken for granted and the norm.

[drunkenshoe]

I'm actually going to have to disagree with you there, I think this is something that has been lurking on the internet (and I guess in the minds of people in "the real world") for awhile now. His argument is basically the same as my mom has made for years; "How dare those blacks get so uppity and think they are special! They are just being spoiled and want freebees and to put 'the whiteman' in what they think is our place! It's really offensive to me!".

The ignorance of minority groups maybe, just maybe, having some reason to be pissed off is nothing new. It's just becoming more and more noticeable as minorities get more and more pissed off and think they have a right to be treated equally as well. White people and men just haven't had to vocally say it because it was always taken for granted and the norm.

OK. Agreed. It makes sense, after all this is what we keep saying. But I think people here are pretty stressed out and nervous about the coming elections and they are not even aware of it. Seriously.

Having said that the group in this forum will have nothing changed in their lives doesn't matter who wins the elections. But then there is the social media and there is no limit to how much that affects people in the negative. For example they are all victims right now. That's their pyshcology. Like the Christians.

[PickelledEggs]

I have been in many conflicts with many different people in this forum.

Yes. Yes you do. Maybe it's time to see if it has anything to do with how you conduct yourself, instead of pointing fingers at other people.

Oh you didn't just say that. Do you have any idea how offensive and unfair is that?

All the reason you are jacked about this topic is because of the political climate and elections is in your country. How can you say something like that  to me?

Again, you misrepresent someone's position.

[drunkenshoe]

Yes. Yes you do. Maybe it's time to see if it has anything to do with how you conduct yourself, instead of pointing fingers at other people.

Again, you misrepresent someone's position.

I was talking about the 6-7 years I have been the member of this forum. I am not in a position that my integrity would be in question, Pickel.

You have taken a side and trying to keep me draw away from the forum with awfully condescending and offensive remarks -oh but you are so polite about it I'll give you that- because I don't agree with you on this topic or say something you like. This is as simple as this.

Last time I was in conflict with someone that poster was Nonsensei and the other was baronvonrort. Are you aware of that, right?

How is that I am in a position to get some warning that I should get some break other than you just don't like me here? You realise that this is a public forum, right? It's not anybody's vanilla safe space. It's a public forum.

 

[PickelledEggs]

I was talking about the 6-7 years I have been the member of this forum. I am not in a position that my integrity would be in question, Pickel.

People change and so do you.

You have taken a side and trying to keep me draw away from the forum with awfully condescending and offensive remarks -oh but you are so polite about it I'll give you that- because I don't agree with you on this topic or say something you like. This is as simple as this.

Last time I was in conflict with someone that poster was Nonsensei and the other was baronvonrort. Are you aware of that, right?

How is that I am in a position to get some warning that I should get some break other than you just don't like me here? You realise that this is a public forum, right? It's not anybody's vanilla safe space. It's a public forum.

 

What I am addressing right now is your hostile insults to nonsensei. His position aside, we cannot have that.

Jump to the conclusion that I dislike you, if you want, I don't, but you can assume whatever you want.

I really don't care about past conflicts or how they came about, who started what. It's not important right now and it doesn't excuse your recent behavior in this thread.

Call my or nonsensei's comments in this thread condescending and offensive if you want, they aren't, but feel free to.


Again. This isn't about this being a "safe space". You know I want differing opinions and views here... probably more than most other members and mods. The issue is when someone is misrepresenting someone's words, intentionally or not. If it's unintentionally, like I believe you are doing it, at least have the courtesy of looking at what the person said again and adjust. You may still disagree, but at least you can have your discussion about your disagreement correctly. Shiranu caught on with that. I believe you can too. If you can't, I advise you take a break from this topic until you get a level head.

[drunkenshoe]

People change and so do you.

What I am addressing right now is your hostile insults to nonsensei. His position aside, we cannot have that.


Jump to the conclusion that I dislike you, if you want, I don't, but you can assume whatever you want.

I really don't care about past conflicts or how they came about, who started what. It's not important right now and it doesn't excuse your recent behavior in this thread.

Call my or nonsensei's comments in this thread condescending and offensive if you want, they aren't, but feel free to.


Again. This isn't about this being a "safe space". You know I want differing opinions and views here... probably more than most other members and mods. The issue is when someone is misrepresenting someone's words, intentionally or not. If it's unintentionally, like I believe you are doing it, at least have the courtesy of looking at what the person said again and adjust. You may still disagree, but at least you can have your discussion about your disagreement correctly. Shiranu caught on with that. I believe you can too. If you can't, I advise you take a break from this topic until you get a level head.

Steve, somebody has been intentionally provoking me for some time, while I have been trying to communicate with him and when I get pissed off to him and give a reaction, you are trying to punish me. Probably he knows what reaction I would give and this is a game for him...could care less. But I haven't done anything intentionally out of nowhere. And that's the point. But he did.

I don't think you dislike me, but disagree with me and annoyed with me because of my opinions. You are a human being and this is normal. And yes it is condescending to tell someone that they are not fit to comment on some world issue because there has been a coup attempt in their country. You have been offensive and unfair.

[PickelledEggs]

Steve, somebody has been intentionally provoking me for some time, while I have been trying to communicate with him and when I get pissed off to him and give a reaction, you are trying to punish me. Probably he knows what reaction I would give and this is a game for him...could care less. But I haven't done anything intentionally out of nowhere. And that's the point.

I don't think you dislike me, but disagree with me and annoyed with me because of my opinions. You are a human being and this is normal. And yes it is condescending to tell someone that they are not fit to comment on some world issue because there has been a coup attempt in their country. You have been offensive and unfair.

I've been offensive an unfair... hmm.... interesting.

I am not annoyed by your opinions, or that I disagree with you. I am annoyed, and I think I can vouch for a few other people in this thread, that we're annoyed because you are arguing about something that isn't even on topic with our point. Practically goal-post moving. I don't care if someone disagrees, but at least disagree about the same topic.

If someone is provoking you, be an adult and address it civilly. I don't think in this case anyone was, but even if they were, it's not an excuse to start telling someone "go fuck yourself" or calling them a "piece of shit".


And whatever the case is, issues in your country or whatever, you seem to be more stressed than when it wasn't as bad. You're getting offended by things that aren't even jabs at you and retaliating with hostility more than usual. It really doesn't matter what the reason for that is, but I am trying to have some sympathy for your situation and why you are acting so hostile.

Or are you the only one that can analyze things?

Let's take out the issues going on in your country if you want. Stop with the insults. No more calling people a "piece of shit" no more telling people to "go fuck themselves". No more insults from you period.

[drunkenshoe]

I've been offensive an unfair... hmm.... interesting.

I am not annoyed by your opinions, or that I disagree with you. I am annoyed, and I think I can vouch for a few other people in this thread, that we're annoyed because you are arguing about something that isn't even on topic with our point. Practically goal-post moving. I don't care if someone disagrees, but at least disagree about the same topic.

If someone is provoking you, be an adult and address it civilly. I don't think in this case anyone was, but even if they were, it's not an excuse to start telling someone "go fuck yourself" or calling them a "piece of shit".


And whatever the case is, issues in your country or whatever, you seem to be more stressed than when it wasn't as bad. You're getting offended by things that aren't even jabs at you and retaliating with hostility more than usual. It really doesn't matter what the reason for that is, but I am trying to have some sympathy for your situation and why you are acting so hostile.

Or are you the only one that can analyze things?

Let's take out the issues going on in your country if you want. Stop with the insults. No more calling people a "piece of shit" no more telling people to "go fuck themselves". No more insults from you period.

I am not aware that I am acting hostile. I'm really not. I apologise.

[PickelledEggs]

I am not aware that I am acting hostile. I'm really not. I apologise.

Thank you. Please be aware in the future.

[Duncle]

In my my incohorent post I wrote simply that you can't do that. Nobody or no authority can. Because you can't reason with masses of people with scientific explanations or with nuances of political propaganda available to them on how they reflect in their society. You are describing an ideal but nothing about human reality. That was the point of my incoherent post in simple English.

Anti-Semitism used to be considered a legitimate part of political discourse. It isn't now.

Well again, in my incoherent post I clearly said that SJW groups are not a part of any ideology, but that they are simply sub reactive groups to the situtaion in the country they exist in the last couple of decades.


No, I am saying they have nothing to do with any ideology at all in simple English. I don't think they are screwed at all. I specifically said that 'the class' I used has nothing to the with economics in fact, but of course related to.

No, actually we are in the area of Frankfrut School altogether. None of the above is available as active movements in your country, assuming you are American. Corporate ruling is.

Okay...so here's one of the things that confuses me about your posts. You say that the SWJ movement isn't ideological; then you say that we are in Frankfurt School country, and that the active movement is linked to/ informed by the Frankfurt School. So which is it? Or do you mean something else entirely?

From my own experience of interacting with SJWs, I'd say that Postmodernism (Derrida, Kristeva etc) is at least as important an influence on their thinking as Habermas and friends. I'm not a Marxist, and therefore am not a fan of Critical Theory.

If you can follow Foucault and understand the English language, you can perfectly follow what I wrote. Bothering to do it though something altogether different.

I really like Foucault, especially the later stuff- Discipline and Punish most of all. And yes, I do understand English (in fact I am English, and live in England). I couldn't follow much of your previous post. This one is nice and clear.