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Started by Pahu, April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

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Pahu

Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared, which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.

Unless and until evolutionists/atheists can conduct a repeatable experiment, verified by qualified scientists demonstrating that statement is untrue, their pronouncements must be regarded with the same respect as those of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The fact that the appearance of the universe from nothing has not been shown to be possible by any natural cause by real scientists shows that the evolutionists/atheists view is pie in the sky.

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138&Itemid=71
http://www.apologeticspress.ws/articles/1762
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=137
http://www.existence-of-god.com/first-cause-argument.html
http://www.existence-of-god.com/existence-of-god.html
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

Nonsensei

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared

Prove it.

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMwhich is impossible by any natural cause.

prove that too.

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMTherefor the cause of the universe was supernatural

Also prove that, after which you can prove to us exactly how it means the following:

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMproving the existence of God.

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMUnless and until evolutionists/atheists can conduct a repeatable experiment, verified by qualified scientists demonstrating that statement is untrue, their pronouncements must be regarded with the same respect as those of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

You are the one asserting something. Its not up to us to disprove it but up to you to prove it. Just so we are clear, a link to an article on apologesticspress.com is not going to cut it.

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMThe fact that the appearance of the universe from nothing has not been shown to be possible by any natural cause

Such a thing has never been verified in science.

You entire post is nothing but your own assertions and wishful thinking masquerading as "facts" and the cherry on top of the bullshit sundae is that you shift the burden of proof off of yourself at the end of it.

Get proof or get lost.
And on the wings of a dream so far beyond reality
All alone in desperation now the time has come
Lost inside you\'ll never find, lost within my own mind
Day after day this misery must go on

TomFoolery

#2
Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared, which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.

While it's true there's a lot we don't understand in the moments immediately after the Big Bang or what might have prompted the Big Bang to occur in the first place, that doesn't mean evolution is bunk. It's an even bigger logical fallacy to then state, because it can't be evolution, the only explanation is God. If there truly was nothing before God created it, where was God when this was happening? His vacation home in the Maldives?

Let me guess, it just so also happens to be the Christian God? I'm going to guess you also don't think it's strange that billions of years of cosmic existence, and it all boils down to a a few people a few thousand years ago in the tiny space that is the Middle East, which exists on an imperfect planet in the boondocks of an unremarkable galaxy, which is only a tiny fraction of the universe... Sure, that's an explanation. But clowns farting us into existence is an equally likely one.

Can we not just be honest and say that it's more likely that we created God in our image than he created us in his?
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

RCnal

Can't prove a negative.
You have no way of proving to me the Easter bunny does NOT exist. That's the reason the burden of proof always lies with the person who claimed the positive. It's just common sense.

No one knows what occurred 14.6 Billion years ago. Mankind has been around for such a minute amount of time compared to the universe. We can check on stuff millions of years ago up to even the 4.5 billion years here on earth because we are here and evidence was left.
TO be able to know absolutely everything from the beginning is just wishful thinking. We can't even reliably leave the planet and travel anywhere where there would likely be more clues.
We still discover new creatures here on this planet. Just think about that, we still don't know everything that's going on here, yet you expect we should know everything about the universe.

Any theory right now is just speculation at this point. Still not proven, nor dis-proven.

Regarding evolution, how do you account for the millions of pieces of evidence which is blatantly available at your local museum, your text books, your science class? We aren't talking about theories and ideas which are not tangible, you can literally hold a fossil, date it, and match it to similar creatures living today.

I am certainly positive you have no background in biology, by which I mean a degree, in order to assert these things.
I don't either, but I have read from the experts and I understand them, therefore there is no burden on me to prove anything.
There are no organizations from reputable biologists anywhere which have the consensus that evolution is false. Not one. There are groups of people, but none of them are of the scientific community with specializations in biology. You know why? Because scientists in groups like this all agree that evolution is fact.
You have the right to believe whatever you like. However, the once you publicize it as fact, you will have to answer a few questions.

I hope Jenny McCarthy gets small pox
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RCnal

Quote from: TomFoolery on April 16, 2016, 02:36:51 PM
While it's true there's a lot we don't understand in the moments immediately after the Big Bang or what might have prompted the Big Bang to occur in the first place, that doesn't mean evolution is bunk. It's an even bigger logical fallacy to then state, because it can't be evolution, the only explanation is God. If there truly was nothing before God created it, where was God when this was happening? His vacation home in the Maldives?

Let me guess, it just so also happens to be the Christian God? I'm going to guess you also don't think it's strange that billions of years of cosmic existence, and it all boils down to a a few people a few thousand years ago in the tiny space that is the Middle East, which exists on an imperfect planet in the boondocks of an unremarkable galaxy, which is only a tiny fraction of the universe... Sure, that's an explanation. But clowns farting us into existence is an equally likely one.

Can we not just be honest and say that it's more likely that we created God in our image than he created us in his?

Best part about the middle east at the time which 'god' chose to reveal himself to, China was centuries ahead of these people in terms of culture and science, yet 'god' chose these backward people to start the rest of mankind from.
You have the right to believe whatever you like. However, the once you publicize it as fact, you will have to answer a few questions.

I hope Jenny McCarthy gets small pox
Check out my thoughts at knowledgeoverego.blogspot.ca

SGOS

I think I'm having an anxiety attack.

AkiraTheFighter

#6
The title of this thread alone is an Oxymoron. Science can't disprove evolution because to disprove evolution you'd have to disprove all of science itself. Simply put for your primate mind your title basically translates as Science disproves Science.

Hell years ago human beings couldn't drink milk after a certain time after babyhood. We literally evolved to drink milk no matter how old we are. http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/12/27/168144785/an-evolutionary-whodunit-how-did-humans-develop-lactose-tolerance

Baruch

Pahu - no intro?

Yes, scientists sometimes claim, for research money, more than their investigations can show ;-).  But the Old Earth (4.5 billion years) and Biological Evolution (1.0 billion years) theories are pretty well demonstrated.  Early Universe (older than 13 billion years) and Early Earth Life (older than 1 billion years) are less well demonstrated.  There is no evidence of supernatural phenomena for anything in the last 1 billion years.  At best, current science would only support Deism.
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Azee’ Å,a’ish nanídį́į́h?
Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Are you taking any medications?
Don't do that.

Mermaid

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Johan

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared,
And you know this for a fact how exactly? And before you answer, you're gonna wanna click the link below and study up on that concept a little bit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false and by the rulers as useful

Mike Cl

Oh goody--another drive-by.  But if you do stick around, Pahu, you will be beaten like the drum you claim to be.  And we will be dancing the hula to the beat.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

aitm

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared,

oh yeah…the old….we don't know thus we make shit up ploy…..how very…er….original…









LOLOLOL
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

TomFoolery

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 16, 2016, 05:37:51 PM
Oh goody--another drive-by.  But if you do stick around, Pahu, you will be beaten like the drum you claim to be.  And we will be dancing the hula to the beat.

Some of us prefer to shake maracas, just to mix it up a little.
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Hydra009

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PMevolutionists/atheists
I love how these two groups get lumped together by creationists.  (apparently theists who believe in evolution don't fit in their worldview, much like a significant portion of science)  It'd be like saying magneticists/atheists or atomists/atheists.  It's actually quite a compliment to be regarded so closely with a field of science.  Next, they really ought to say astronomers/atheists.  :P

Gerard

Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared, which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.

Unless and until evolutionists/atheists can conduct a repeatable experiment, verified by qualified scientists demonstrating that statement is untrue, their pronouncements must be regarded with the same respect as those of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The fact that the appearance of the universe from nothing has not been shown to be possible by any natural cause by real scientists shows that the evolutionists/atheists view is pie in the sky.

http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=138&Itemid=71
http://www.apologeticspress.ws/articles/1762
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=137
http://www.existence-of-god.com/first-cause-argument.html
http://www.existence-of-god.com/existence-of-god.html
http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html


Yeah..... and you knew that all along. What is or is not scientific in these fields doesn't depend on fancy and willful deductive rationalisations. It depends on observations (facts) that stay in line with theories that successfully integrate observations. "Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared" isn't actually an observation. It's an opinion.

Gerard