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Started by Pahu, April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

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Quote from: Pahu on April 20, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
It is a self evident fact that something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause. Are you able to show where something has come from nothing by a natural cause?

The grammar hurts... Can you rephrase that so we can understand it?


QuoteThe vast majority of the scientific community and academia supports evolutionary theory as the only explanation that can fully account for observations in the fields of biology, paleontology, molecular biology, genetics, anthropology, and others.[19][20][21][22][23] One 1987 estimate found that "700 scientists ... (out of a total of 480,000 U.S. earth and life scientists) ... give credence to creation-science".[24] A 1991 Gallup poll found that about 5% of American scientists (including those with training outside biology) identified themselves as creationists.[25][26]

Additionally, the scientific community considers intelligent design, a neo-creationist offshoot, to be unscientific,[27] pseudoscience,[28][29] or junk science.[30][31] The U.S. National Academy of Sciences has stated that intelligent design "and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life" are not science because they cannot be tested by experiment, do not generate any predictions, and propose no new hypotheses of their own.[32] In September 2005, 38 Nobel laureates issued a statement saying "Intelligent design is fundamentally unscientific; it cannot be tested as scientific theory because its central conclusion is based on belief in the intervention of a supernatural agent."[33] In October 2005, a coalition representing more than 70,000 Australian scientists and science teachers issued a statement saying "intelligent design is not science" and calling on "all schools not to teach Intelligent Design (ID) as science, because it fails to qualify on every count as a scientific theory".[34]

In 1986, an amicus curiae brief, signed by 72 US Nobel Prize winners, 17 state academies of science and 7 other scientific societies, asked the US Supreme Court in Edwards v. Aguillard, to reject a Louisiana state law requiring the teaching of creationism (which the brief described as embodying religious dogma).[3] This was the largest collection of Nobel Prize winners to sign anything up to that point, providing the "clearest statement by scientists in support of evolution yet produced."[23]

There are many scientific and scholarly organizations from around the world that have issued statements in support of the theory of evolution.[35][36][37][38] The American Association for the Advancement of Science, the world's largest general scientific society with more than 130,000 members and over 262 affiliated societies and academies of science including over 10 million individuals, has made several statements and issued several press releases in support of evolution.[22] The prestigious United States National Academy of Sciences, which provides science advice to the nation, has published several books supporting evolution and criticising creationism and intelligent design.[39][40]

There is a notable difference between the opinion of scientists and that of the general public in the United States. A 2009 poll by Pew Research Center found that "Nearly all scientists (97%) say humans and other living things have evolved over time â€" 87% say evolution is due to natural processes, such as natural selection. The dominant position among scientists â€" that living things have evolved due to natural processes â€" is shared by only about a third (32%) of the public."[41]

End of discussion. carry on.


Quote from: TomFoolery on April 16, 2016, 02:36:51 PM
While it's true there's a lot we don't understand in the moments immediately after the Big Bang or what might have prompted the Big Bang to occur in the first place, that doesn't mean evolution is bunk.

I am referring to the time before matter existed.

QuoteIt's an even bigger logical fallacy to then state, because it can't be evolution, the only explanation is God.

It is quite logical. Since the universe had a beginning, before which there was nothing from which is appeared. Since it could not create itself when it did not exist, then the only logical alternative is it had to have been created. That demands a Creator.

QuoteIf there truly was nothing before God created it, where was God when this was happening?

God resides in eternity.

QuoteLet me guess, it just so also happens to be the Christian God?

That's a good guess.

QuoteI'm going to guess you also don't think it's strange that billions of years of cosmic existence, and it all boils down to a a few people a few thousand years ago in the tiny space that is the Middle East, which exists on an imperfect planet in the boondocks of an unremarkable galaxy, which is only a tiny fraction of the universe... Sure, that's an explanation.

Billions of years of cosmic existence is evidence free speculation.

QuoteCan we not just be honest and say that it's more likely that we created God in our image than he created us in his?

What is honest about that? All gods have been created by man except the one and only true, living, creator God of the Bible. Here are the facts:

Bible Accuracy

1. Archaeology confirms the historical accuracy of the Bible:

2. The Bible is not a science book, yet is scientifically accurate:

3. The Bible is filled with hundreds of accurately fulfilled prophecies:

No other book, religious or secular, comes close to those requirements.


The bible is fiction

Understand? By continually going to apologist sources and not looking at any other, you merely perpetrate a belief, neither prove nor disprove it.

Apply scientific method to your apologists. Set out to disprove it. Surprise- you can. I know because I did.

Evidence that casts doubt on any part casts doubt on the whole. Truth is either all true or not at all. I am here because I STUDIED the evidence objectively. Try that and see what happens, ere you are booted off of here.


Quote from: RCnal on April 16, 2016, 02:43:18 PM
Regarding evolution, how do you account for the millions of pieces of evidence which is blatantly available at your local museum, your text books, your science class? We aren't talking about theories and ideas which are not tangible, you can literally hold a fossil, date it, and match it to similar creatures living today.

The fossil record has no transitional fossils. They all appear suddenly and perfectly able to survive in their different environments.

There are no organizations from reputable biologists anywhere which have the consensus that evolution is false. Not one.

Actually there are. Here are a couple:

QuoteThere are groups of people, but none of them are of the scientific community with specializations in biology. You know why? Because scientists in groups like this all agree that evolution is fact.

Not all, see above. Evolution is evidence free speculation masquerading as science.


The only thing this proves is you are stuck into religion the same way an Ostrich head is stuck into the ground. You cannot win any debate here because you are johnny come lately in that department. Since you are not willing to address or look at opposing evidence it merely means you are a narrow minded, one note Samba just like every other creationist that comes here. Carry on.


Shallow Meteorites

Meteorites are steadily falling onto Earth. This rate was probably much greater in the past, because planets have swept from the solar system much of the original meteoritic material. Therefore, experts have expressed surprise that meteorites are almost always found in young sediments, very near Earth’s surface (a). (Unsuccessful searches have been made for these deepâ€"and very valuableâ€"meteorites, including in the Grand Canyon and along conveyor belts in coal processing plants.) Even meteoritic particles in ocean sediments are concentrated in the topmost layers (b). If Earth’s sediments, which average about a mile in thickness on the continents, were deposited over hundreds of millions of years, as evolutionists believe, we would expect to find many deeply buried iron meteorites. Because this is not the case, the sediments were probably deposited rapidly, followed by “geologically recent” meteorite impacts. Also, because no meteorites are found directly above the basement rocks on which these sediments rest, those basement rocks were not exposed to meteoritic bombardment for any great length of time.

Similar conclusions can be made about rock slides, which are usually found at the Earth’s surface (c).

a. “In older geologic formations, no signs whatsoever of the presence of meteorites have been found ... If we consider, moreover, that since the onset of modern coal mining, some fifty to fifty-five billion tons of coal have been mined, all of which have passed through the hands of people with a professional familiarity with stones, it is certainly remarkable that ancient meteorite material has never been found or described up to now.”Fritz Heide, Meteorites (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1964), p. 119.

Peter A. Steveson, “Meteoritic Evidence for a Young Earth,” Creation Research Society Quarterly, Vol. 12, June 1975, pp. 23â€"25.

“... neither tektites nor other meteorites have been found in any of the ancient geologic formations ...”Ralph Stair, “Tektites and the Lost Planet,” The Scientific Monthly, July 1956, p. 11.

“No meteorites have ever been found in the geologic column.”William Henry Twenhofel, Principles of Sedimentation, 2nd edition (New York: McGraw-Hill, 1950), p. 144.

“... the astronomer Olbers had noticed: that there are no ‘fossil’ meteorites known, from any period older than the middle of the Quaternary. The quantity of coal mined during the last century amounted to many billions of tons, and with it about a thousand meteorites should have been dug out, if during the time the coal deposits were formed the meteorite frequency had been the same as it is today. Equally complete is the absence of meteorites in any other geologically old material that has been excavated in the course of technical operations.”F. A. Paneth, “The Frequency of Meteorite Falls throughout the Ages,” Vistas in Astronomy, Vol. 2, editor Arthur Beer (New York: Pergamon Press, 1956), p. 1681.

“I have interviewed the late Dr. G. P. Merrill, of the U.S. National Museum, and Dr. G. T. Prior, of the British Natural History Museum, both well-known students of meteorites, and neither man knew of a single occurrence of a meteorite in sedimentary rocks.”W. A. Tarr, “Meteorites in Sedimentary Rocks?” Science, Vol. 75, 1 January 1932, pp. 17â€"18.

“No meteorites have been found in the geological column.”Stansfield, p. 81.

“In view of the connection of comets, meteors, and meteorites, the absence of meteorites in old deposits in the crust of the earth is very significant. It has been estimated that at least 500 meteorites should have been found in already worked coal seams, whereas none has been identified in strata older than the Quaternary epoch (about 1 million years ago). This suggests a very recent origin of meteorites and, by inference, of comets.”N. T. Bobrovnikoff, “Comets,” Astrophysics, editor J. A. Hynek (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Co., 1951), p. 352.

b. Hans Pettersson, “Cosmic Spherules and Meteoritic Dust,” Scientific American, Vol. 202, February 1960, pp. 123â€"129.

c.“Examples of ancient rock slides have been identified from the geologic column in few instances.”William Henry Twenhofel, Treatise on Sedimentation, Vol. 1, 2nd edition (New York: Dover Publications, 1961), p. 102.

From “In the Beginning” by Walt Brown


More apologetic sources. Seriously, be objective and look at other evidence.


Quote from: Pahu on April 20, 2016, 11:02:24 AM
I am referring to the time before matter existed.

You mean before between 10âˆ'6 second and 1 second after the Big Bang?   That's when Baryogenesis happened.

Quote from: Pahu on April 20, 2016, 11:02:24 AM
God resides in eternity.

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Palu:God resides in eternity.

Quote from: Jason78 on April 20, 2016, 01:13:31 PM

Eternity is the measure of time that goes on forever into both the future and the past.  But it only started 6000 years ago. :eyes:



Quote from: Pahu on April 20, 2016, 11:15:09 AMThe fossil record has no transitional fossils.

QuoteThey all appear suddenly
So...nothing and then bam!  Flowering plants.  Bam!  Rabbits.  Is that really how you think it went down?

Quoteand perfectly able to survive in their different environment.
Living species tend to do that.  The ones that can't survive in their environments have a tendency to go extinct.


Calling it now Pahu is a Troll.


It's interesting when theists say "science is wrong" and then proceed to try to use science to prove it! :bigyawn:
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Quote from: Pahu on April 20, 2016, 10:43:45 AM
Quote from: Nonsensei on April 16, 2016, 02:24:28 PM
Prove it.

It is a self evident fact that something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause. Are you able to show where something has come from nothing by a natural cause?

Very well, but what has this to do with biological evolution exactly?