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Science Disproves Evolution

Started by Pahu, April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM

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Hijiri Byakuren

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Gerard

Hmmmm..... probably a one time wonder here...

Gerard

Mr.Obvious

#17
Quote from: Pahu on April 16, 2016, 02:13:03 PM
Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared, which is impossible by any natural cause. Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God.

Unless and until evolutionists/atheists can conduct a repeatable experiment, verified by qualified scientists demonstrating that statement is untrue, their pronouncements must be regarded with the same respect as those of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

The fact that the appearance of the universe from nothing has not been shown to be possible by any natural cause by real scientists shows that the evolutionists/atheists view is pie in the sky.

You confuse me.
Your ill-found blatant, unsupported assertions and shifting of the burden of proof aside, why the hell do you call your thread "Science Disproves Evolution" and then continue to not only not say anything at all about evolution in your opening statement, but also leave out any science whatsoever?
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Gerard

#18
Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 16, 2016, 07:24:36 PM
You confuse me.
Your ill-found blatant, unsupported assertions and shifting of the burden of proof aside, why the hell do you call your thread "Science Disproves Evolution" and then continue to not only not say anything at all about evolution in your opening statement, but also leave out any science whatsoever?

Mr. Obvious, you have to understand that some people don't think that way and also equate biological evolution with just about anything else they can lay their hands on. Mainly to satisfy some religious or political stances they hold. The quote "Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God" as the conclusion derived from "Before the universe existed there was nothing from which it appeared", basically says it all. For them, biological evolution must apply to the same unproven rules. Which they just made up....

Gerard

Mike Cl

#19
Quote from: TomFoolery on April 16, 2016, 06:06:18 PM
Some of us prefer to shake maracas, just to mix it up a little.
A pahu is a type of traditional Hawaiian drum used typically for a hula.  Can't use maracas in Hawaii--can you????
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TomFoolery

Quote from: Gerard on April 16, 2016, 07:47:06 PM
The quote "Therefor the cause of the universe was supernatural, proving the existence of God"

Yet somehow no one ever seems to want to accept that if the cause of the universe is indeed supernatural, it could be something supernatural other than the Christian god. Even if I were the accept all the bullshit that leads up to the idea that the universe couldn't just exist without supernatural intervention for one reason or another (too complex, too improbable, too 'perfect'), I have never yet once heard someone explain why the Christian god is the answer. It's always just... therefore God (of the Christian Bible). No one has ever attempted to defend why it couldn't be equally probable that the Norse myths involving frost giants or the Iroquois giant turtle are the real source of all life on the planet.

Well, of course we've gone into space and determined that our planet isn't a giant turtle, but we've also been around long enough to know that virtually every step of the Genesis story trips over itself, such as having a planet with light, plants, and liquid water but no sun or other stars until the 4th day.

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 16, 2016, 08:19:07 PM
A pahu is a type of traditional Hawaiian drum used typically for a hula.  Can't use maracas in Hawaii--can you????
Don't they have those coconut things?
How can you be sure my refusal to agree with your claim a symptom of my ignorance and not yours?

Hydra009

Quote from: Mr.Obvious on April 16, 2016, 07:24:36 PMYou confuse me.
Your ill-found blatant, unsupported assertions and shifting of the burden of proof aside, why the hell do you call your thread "Science Disproves Evolution" and then continue to not only not say anything at all about evolution in your opening statement, but also leave out any science whatsoever?
Because creationists aren't actually interested in science.  They're interested in combating atheism.  They falsely/flatteringly identify evolution as an atheistic creed and "refute" it just like they'd refute any other competing religious belief.  It's like stabbing the ocean so that it bleeds to death.  A century and change later, and they're still at it, wondering why they're laughed at.

AkiraTheFighter

#22
I don't get the point of these one shot people. I mean what is the point? Do you think people would be converted if you state your flawed world view on an Atheist Forum? No this is the internet, where everything is analyzed and debated, no holds bar.

And obviously this is what goes on in that person's head: "my world view is right so I'm gonna post it in an Atheist forum to try and convert some atheist, and you know while I'm at it let me try and see if i can convert some evolutionists as well, after all there the same, but I'm not gonna bother to come back because I'm afraid to have my world view challenged....I mean ummm I'm right and they're wrong MEH!!!"  And then he goes and fuck his cousin and drinks a beer under the confederate flag while wearing a Donald Trump button and then masturbates to Gods Not Dead I and 2.

I mean this level of stupidity shouldn't exist anymore.

DeltaEpsilon

The universe was always there it just expanded from a hot dense state approximately 13.8 billion years ago, God is unnecessary and requires too many assumptions thus by Ockham's razor the non-existence of God is more logical.

Darwinism is a scientifically tenable theory whereas creationism is not.

@Baruch

Even deism is scientifically unsubstantiated.
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Gerard

#24
Quote from: TomFoolery on April 16, 2016, 08:23:24 PM
Yet somehow no one ever seems to want to accept that if the cause of the universe is indeed supernatural, it could be something supernatural other than the Christian god. Even if I were the accept all the bullshit that leads up to the idea that the universe couldn't just exist without supernatural intervention for one reason or another (too complex, too improbable, too 'perfect'), I have never yet once heard someone explain why the Christian god is the answer. It's always just... therefore God (of the Christian Bible). No one has ever attempted to defend why it couldn't be equally probable that the Norse myths involving frost giants or the Iroquois giant turtle are the real source of all life on the planet.

Well, of course we've gone into space and determined that our planet isn't a giant turtle, but we've also been around long enough to know that virtually every step of the Genesis story trips over itself, such as having a planet with light, plants, and liquid water but no sun or other stars until the 4th day.
Don't they have those coconut things?
Well basically the universe exists. Existence exists. We can't second guess that. Whatever we might think (or believe) about that. The necessity of existence having a beginning or a creation from nothing.... How can we even contemplate that? We don't know sh&* about that! The idea that existence must have suddenly sprong from nothing (what is that anyway even) is, as I have said before, just an opinion. To make that into some story is just....... Culturally valuable no doubt but apart from that not particularly useful.


Gerard

Gerard

I always wonder about theists arguing that the universe came from a situation where nothing was before and how that has to be explained by an eternal deity. An eternal deity being decidedly not nothing..... Which somehow defeats the very idea that something came from nothing.... needing something (god)

Gerard

Gawdzilla Sama

Quote from: Gerard on April 16, 2016, 07:11:23 PM
Hmmmm..... probably a one time wonder here...

Gerard
So far all we've disproved is the original poster.
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Baruch

Quote from: DeltaEpsilon on April 16, 2016, 09:01:04 PM
The universe was always there it just expanded from a hot dense state approximately 13.8 billion years ago, God is unnecessary and requires too many assumptions thus by Ockham's razor the non-existence of God is more logical.

Darwinism is a scientifically tenable theory whereas creationism is not.

@Baruch

Even deism is scientifically unsubstantiated.

I was responding to the OP ... who is a theist.  I was keeping it engaged yet simple, not dismissive.

"At best, current science would only support Deism." ... support not prove nor demonstrate.  And IMHO ... other theisms are supported as well, just not childish theisms ;-)  Science only proves that scientists are geeks ... the followers of dead Greeks.  When they watch the shapes of clouds, they don't see dragons, they see Newton or Einstein ;-)
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Táadoo ánít’iní.
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Don't do that.

Pahu

Quote from: Nonsensei on April 16, 2016, 02:24:28 PM
Prove it.

It is a self evident fact that something cannot come from nothing by any natural cause. Are you able to show where something has come from nothing by a natural cause?