Cop: "You're Recording Me? I Will Pull My Gun On You."

[drunkenshoe]

The pigeon anology is not on your side here guys.

You are the ones who can't imagine this situation with a cop who wouldn't pull a gun. Exactly like the believer who cannot imagine anything without a magic man on the sky and interpret everything he experiences according to that 'reality'. The problem flies over your head. So that's just embarassing. Seriously.

We refuse to "interpret" what's going on, also known as "speculation".

That's exactly what you have done all along.

[widdershins]

Are you fucking kidding me? The guy was "verbally aggressive" before the cop was physically aggressive? So fucking what? Are you seriously suggesting that the guy being a meanie to the cop is on the same level as the cop pulling his service piece out? And lets keep in mind here, when that happened the guy recording had yet to commit a crime and the cop had no reason to even approach him.

This is just getting stupid and, frankly, I'm getting a little tired of people putting ignorant words in my mouth.  I DO NOT FUCKING KNOW what was happening BEHIND the camera!  I am not saying he hurt the cop's feelings so he deserved to have a gun pulled on him and, frankly, I think you know damned well that's not what I'm saying and you're being a jackass for suggesting my argument is so simplistic and, frankly, utterly fucking retarded.

And YOU DO NOT KNOW what the guy did or did not do, so please quit playing the video in your head from ten steps back where you can plainly see that the guy with the camera is exactly as un-threatening as you would like to believe he was.  You also DO NOT KNOW that "the cop had no reason to approach him".  Were you there?  Did you pick up your mind reading machine, step into your fucking time machine, go back in time and confirm the cop's "reasons" for doing anything.  The only HINT of any "reason" from the video was in the middle of a less-than-civil conversation between two people who obviously didn't like each other and had no intention of cooperating with each other, so you have to take that with a grain of salt.

And the suggestion that the guy has to commit a crime for a cop to pull a gun, that's fucking stupid.  Have you ever heard of a cop pulling a gun because you were J-walking or speeding?  I mean, that being the ACTUAL reason for pulling the gun?  The police do not pull guns on you when you "commit crimes".  "He committed a crime" is not a justification for pulling a gun.  If it were every kid would have a horror story about the time he spit his gum out on the sidewalk.  They pull guns on you when you are a threat.  Again, this is a blatant, transparent attempt to inject ignorance into the conversation to confuse the facts.

I'm not even reading the rest of that blathering shit.  If you are just going to continue to make this shit up as you go along then there really is no point in talking to you.  Frankly, I'd rather have LittleNipper back.  At least I EXPECT him to make claims as if they were facts even though he had no way of actually "knowing" anything he claimed.  If you want to talk about this in a civilized, intelligent way, great.  If you just want to keep making up what happened and pretending my argument is as simplistic as you really, really wish it were, I'm done.

[widdershins]

The pigeon anology is not on your side here guys.

You are the ones who can't imagine this situation with a cop who wouldn't pull a gun. Exactly like the believer who cannot imagine anything without a magic man on the sky and interpret everything he experiences according to that 'reality'. The problem flies over your head. So that's just embarassing. Seriously.

We refuse to "interpret" what's going on, also known as "speculation".

That's exactly what you have done all along.

Says the one who uses the word "imagine" when describing how one should view the "evidence".

[widdershins]

You know, I just realized something interesting about this conversation.  One side of the argument only ever uses the word "evidence" to describe what they see, while the other side uses words like "imagine" and "interpret".  Obviously, one of these words is not like the others.  Perhaps if you're on the other side of this argument you should look back at what you wrote, really think about it and ask yourself, "Is that word objective or is it subjective?"  I'll give you a hint.  The word "evidence" is the only word here which is "objective".  While I won't spoil it and tell you where the other two words fit in I will say that they are the OPPOSITE of "objective".

[drunkenshoe]

Says the one who uses the word "imagine" when describing how one should view the "evidence".

Oy vey...  Yeah that is exactly what I mean there. Imaginning something and interpretation of that thing which is not there. Are you thick? Actually, I know you are but not sure about the limits. You have been writing scenarios around the videos and around the person who shot the videos of on 'what might have happened and what should be done' according to those scenarios and you are talking about evidence?

I'll tell it like you are 12.

The problem here, you and your side cannot wrap your heads around that pulling a gun on someone is NOT a normal behaviour EVEN FOR A COP IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. The circumstances presented here is one of those. It's very simple. We do not need a Sherlock. Do you have the basic intelligent to get that? This happens in the US where there are serious several gun issues. And this is one of them and that's the reason.

What is that? It's the act of pulling a gun being seen as a very normal ordinary thing to do, nobody sees a red flag, but just write stories around it when done by an official. That's what you have been doing. Your point of departure is that pulling a gun is NORMAL thing to begin with, esp. for a cop, doesn't matter what is happening. And you run with that. NO, IT IS NOT.

Show those videos to anywhere Western outside your culture -actually several Eastern and MEastern places too- you are going to get the same reaction in a dozen different language. Something you cannot 'imagine'. Get the usage of imagine here  or need some linguistic explanation?

Show that video in Switzerland, a place more civilians are armed than in your country, only reaction you'll get is "WTF?!" in German or French. You know why? Because seriously what the fuck is that?

There is NO objectivity in what you present here. You are just writing more on more in to your story and it is now an eleborate scenario in your mind completely rationalised. The problem is that the problem in the behaviour presented in the videos is NOT a problem for you. Do you get where I am going with this? You think it is the right action. "Cop-'insolent' citizen- pull the gun" equation is perfectly normal for you. You can't think beyond that. Think, imagine, interpret, reason, question it in any other way.

So this is not a discussion. This has never been a discussion from the beginning. It's about you, rationalising your belief on how an official should handle some situation. In the most ridiculous escalated way. By pulling a gun.

If there is one evidence here, that is the cop being pullled out of his job as the result of the incident and being put in one where a gun is NOT needed. There is nothing more drastic for a Police Force to do for a cop while they can perfectly create a shit storm and avoid it AFTER he is found done nothing wrong. That is the only evidence here. Not the fucking speculation of what was his in his pocket, what was he doing there, was he being a dick or trying to get a 15 mins fame...etc.


So please go on. Happy realising.

[aitm]

I can never find my "beating a dead horse" pic when I need it..

[PickelledEggs]

I can never find my "beating a dead horse" pic when I need it..

I got you, boiiii.

[Shiranu]

Good lord, this thread is still going...

[Nonsensei]

Good lord, this thread is still going...

YOU STARTED IT

[PickelledEggs]

YOU STARTED IT

LOLOLOLOLOL

[widdershins]

Oy vey...  Yeah that is exactly what I mean there. Imaginning something and interpretation of that thing which is not there. Are you thick? Actually, I know you are but not sure about the limits. You have been writing scenarios around the videos and around the person who shot the videos of on 'what might have happened and what should be done' according to those scenarios and you are talking about evidence?

I'll tell it like you are 12.

The problem here, you and your side cannot wrap your heads around that pulling a gun on someone is NOT a normal behaviour EVEN FOR A COP IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES. The circumstances presented here is one of those. It's very simple. We do not need a Sherlock. Do you have the basic intelligent to get that? This happens in the US where there are serious several gun issues. And this is one of them and that's the reason.

What is that? It's the act of pulling a gun being seen as a very normal ordinary thing to do, nobody sees a red flag, but just write stories around it when done by an official. That's what you have been doing. Your point of departure is that pulling a gun is NORMAL thing to begin with, esp. for a cop, doesn't matter what is happening. And you run with that. NO, IT IS NOT.

Show those videos to anywhere Western outside your culture -actually several Eastern and MEastern places too- you are going to get the same reaction in a dozen different language. Something you cannot 'imagine'. Get the usage of imagine here  or need some linguistic explanation?

Show that video in Switzerland, a place more civilians are armed than in your country, only reaction you'll get is "WTF?!" in German or French. You know why? Because seriously what the fuck is that?

There is NO objectivity in what you present here. You are just writing more on more in to your story and it is now an eleborate scenario in your mind completely rationalised. The problem is that the problem in the behaviour presented in the videos is NOT a problem for you. Do you get where I am going with this? You think it is the right action. "Cop-'insolent' citizen- pull the gun" equation is perfectly normal for you. You can't think beyond that. Think, imagine, interpret, reason, question it in any other way.

So this is not a discussion. This has never been a discussion from the beginning. It's about you, rationalising your belief on how an official should handle some situation. In the most ridiculous escalated way. By pulling a gun.

If there is one evidence here, that is the cop being pullled out of his job as the result of the incident and being put in one where a gun is NOT needed. There is nothing more drastic for a Police Force to do for a cop while they can perfectly create a shit storm and avoid it AFTER he is found done nothing wrong. That is the only evidence here. Not the fucking speculation of what was his in his pocket, what was he doing there, was he being a dick or trying to get a 15 mins fame...etc.


So please go on. Happy realising.

I'm not going to go through line by line refuting all that stupid shit where you tell me what I think and what I know as if you had a fucking clue who I am, one of which I actually already refuted in the post directly above the one you quoted.  If you can't be bothered to so much as figure out what I'm saying before you start telling me what I'm saying then you're simply too much of a pompous prick to bother talking to.  I'll just say to those on the other side, if you can't bother yourselves to listen to what those who disagree with you are actually saying, preferring instead to make it up for them, then it is simply not worth the thought and time it takes to give you explanations you're just going to twist and ignore anyway.  If winning an argument is so much more important to you than being informed, have fun with that.

And to you, specifically, enjoy your petty little insults.  It really doesn't bother me much knowing it comes from a petty little person.

[drunkenshoe]

You didn't refute anything. There is nothing to refute. The cop is NOT a cop anymore. He is taken from his job as a result of the complaint and forced to do something he is not needed to carry a gun.

End of story.

Your post about the word 'imagine' above reminded a long argument you got into about the gun issue, 3 years ago? You don't like being called thick, then stop acting like one. Stop taking words out of context, when it is obvious a different one that you cannot think of is offered to you. Just say that you don't see it that way straight forward, instead of taking petty stabs at it yourself.

[Shiranu]

YOU STARTED IT

Nevertheless, I didn't expect it to go on this long. I am almost proud..,

[Sargon The Grape]

Nevertheless, I didn't expect it to go on this long. I am almost proud..,

For me this is the 5th page due to my settings, and for this whole past page or two it's just been doing this:



It's like watching a train wreck in progress: even though I already jumped out of the train, I just can't look away.

[aitm]

For me this is the 5th page due to my settings,

oh quit yer bragg.....hey.....I just changed mine too......damn right this only MY 5th page as well......