Thoughts on the Existence of the Universe

[kiekeben]

Coming from an expert on logic like you, I'll take that under consideration.

Strictly speaking, LittleNipper didn't say you should believe in God, only that you can't deny God, but I take it he meant the former. (It seems he was implying that.) At any rate, the same problem applies in either case. I deny that the Loch Ness monster exists, but I can't prove that he wan't necessary for the invention of whisky (you never know, maybe he inspired it). So by LittleNipper's logic, I shouldn't deny the existence of the monster.

[josephpalazzo]

If you cannot create a living, reproducing organism with all your "scientific" reasoning, intelligence and capabilities; you possess absolutely nothing to support such occurrences naturally. Your frustration only emphasizes a Christian's forgiving nature in understanding your own misconceptions.

Ignorance is bliss, which what I said in post #75, a post you did not answer as you know it very well it completely destroys your position. But carry on.

[widdershins]

All of these stupid arguments are rooted in the same flawed idea; that "I don't know" is not a valid answer and if you give it as your answer that gives me license to make up whatever I like and claim it's the "true" answer.  The really backward thing about this is that the Christian is completely dependent on the atheist to actually give an honest answer ("I don't know" IS the only truly honest answer) so that the Christian can then avoid being honest, even with himself.  In other words, the one who is supposed to have the moral high ground knows full well his argument is going to work because he knows that the "morally bankrupt" atheist is the only one who's going to be honest throughout the argument.  How's that for a mind-fuck?

[Hakurei Reimu]

We're pitting learned scientists, who actually study the subject matter they would comment on, against religious robots who take literally the word of a band of near-ignorant goat herders who knew even less about the world than the religious robots. There's an obvious winner here.

(SPOILER: It ain't the religious robots.)

[Sargon The Grape]

We're pitting learned scientists, who actually study the subject matter they would comment on, against religious robots who take literally the word of a band of near-ignorant goat herders who knew even less about the world than the religious robots. There's an obvious winner here.

(SPOILER: It ain't the religious robots.)

I think you're giving too much credit to the religious zealots. Robots at least aren't at fault for not thinking for themselves.

[sdelsolray]

Stop. You seem to claim there is no GOD and yet you have no proof that life can originate without HIM. I at least see God working through various people and in my own life to bring closure and meaning to all this. I don't see you producing one rational reason why anyone should wish to see tomorrow let alone enjoy getting old.

If you cannot create a living, reproducing organism with all your "scientific" reasoning, intelligence and capabilities; you possess absolutely nothing to support such occurrences naturally. Your frustration only emphasizes a Christian's forgiving nature in understanding your own misconceptions.

That maybe so; however, you are the one at a disadvantage if you are wrong. If I'm wrong, I'll never know. But God says He is light and love. We have light and love.  And at least we fully understand what it is to try to exist without any love. This must count for something, and not towards atheism.

How many logical fallacies can you fit on the head of a pin?

[LittleNipper]

All of these stupid arguments are rooted in the same flawed idea; that "I don't know" is not a valid answer and if you give it as your answer that gives me license to make up whatever I like and claim it's the "true" answer.  The really backward thing about this is that the Christian is completely dependent on the atheist to actually give an honest answer ("I don't know" IS the only truly honest answer) so that the Christian can then avoid being honest, even with himself.  In other words, the one who is supposed to have the moral high ground knows full well his argument is going to work because he knows that the "morally bankrupt" atheist is the only one who's going to be honest throughout the argument.  How's that for a mind-fuck?

There is practical science, such as medical research and animal/plant breeding.  Finding another larger T-Rex, never healed anyone. Yes, it is as interesting, but so is finding an older copy of the Bible. Atheists are no more honest or dishonest than anyone else. Though if one depends on evolution for his/her livelihood, they may hold to what they have been taught in order to pass and ultimately get a job at an institution that embraces only secular reasoning. Most hospitals, on the other hand, have long realized the power of spiritual healing. And there has been research to suggest it is very real.

[aitm]

And there has been research to suggest it is very real.

Bullshit, it has been conclusively proven to be false, a leader for the feeble minded.

Here's your sign.

[LittleNipper]

Bullshit, it has been conclusively proven to be false, a leader for the feeble minded.

Here's your sign.

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[aitm]

Hospice care is designed to provide medical, emotional and, spiritual

so what?  Hot dogs are pieces of cast off parts of animals, mulch is a neverland of formerly whole pieces of assorted member of the plant family. Many an atheist has used hospice…
That's your argument? Boy, your children's stories is better for sunday school for infants and retards, doesn't play at all above the 4th grade.  And you are certainly not smarter than a 5th grader.

[LittleNipper]

so what?  Hot dogs are pieces of cast off parts of animals, mulch is a neverland of formerly whole pieces of assorted member of the plant family. Many an atheist has used hospice…
That's your argument? Boy, your children's stories is better for sunday school for infants and retards, doesn't play at all above the 4th grade.  And you are certainly not smarter than a 5th grader.

I'm sure many "atheists" eventually find a need for spirituality when they see the grim reaper approaching. Unfortunately, many don't have an second opportunity if killed accidentally, murdered, or simply drop over. 5th graders are likely more reasonable than many adults. So, I would never underestimate their considerations.

[aitm]

I'm sure many "atheists"

you're not sure of anything but making up shit. You make up reasons why you believe, you make up reasons why other people should believe, you make up crap about crap you know nothing about…..face it…..you just make shit up.

[LittleNipper]

you're not sure of anything but making up s__t. You make up reasons why you believe, you make up reasons why other people should believe, you make up crap about crap you know nothing about…..face it…..you just make s__t up.

I can see that your vocabulary is really limited.  I will not for the present consider this typical of atheistic free thinkers --- but time will tell... I'm sure there are many reasons anyone believes whatever. I'm sure that atheists are not to be excluded from making things up. However, unless you investigate everything you have accepted, you are depending on the honesty of others.

[Hakurei Reimu]

Hospice care is designed to provide medical, emotional and spiritual support for the terminally ill. Its goal is to help patients enjoy the best quality of life possible during their remaining time. Hospice care seeks to meet this goal through providing pain relief and other comfort care and through providing families with the resources they need to manage the practical and emotional aspects of caring for a dying loved one.

I donno, Dave; "spiritual" support sounds a hell of a lot like emotional support, and "spiritual support" is decidedly not the same thing as spiritual healing. Nobody is being 'healed' of an organic sickness here.

[aitm]

However, unless you investigate everything you have accepted, you are depending on the honesty of others.

Little Nipper meet mirror.