The ideological conflict on the feminst/liberal/progressive circles.

Started by mauricio, February 19, 2016, 03:39:38 PM

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aitm

#30
February 21, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
Frankly I am rather miffed that my use of the word "roil" was completely ignored as being rather clever.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

mauricio

#31
February 21, 2016, 08:13:13 PM Last Edit: February 21, 2016, 08:25:06 PM by mauricio
Quote from: Mermaid on February 21, 2016, 07:44:22 PM
Tune in next week to find out if Mauricio will ever stop whinging about feminists and SJWs. Next week on As The Forum Turns.

Oh hey look someone taking a potshot without adding anything relevant to the conversation wonder why? Oh right you are still salty because you posted that RAINN page about sexual assault statistics which cited contradictory research without bating an eye. Trying to lump all the numbers together to create a frankenstein of paranoid hysteria in which you are more likely to get raped than to own a fucking dog.

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=8557.msg1095747#msg1095747

Or is it because you a had a metldown and started swearing at me because i said in the chat you were intuitive for guessing some of my characther traits but not very instrospective for being unable to retrace the intuition path and expose why did you arrive to those conclusions.

The Skeletal Atheist

#32
February 22, 2016, 12:53:22 AM
Quote from: mauricio on February 20, 2016, 06:14:22 PM
I have had countless reasonable debates about this topic, sadly with drunken shoe it has never happened, because she dismissed me from the outset because apparently im a privileged white male and an american nationalist. Even though im a mestizo who lives in latin america and dislikes all forms of chauvinism.
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 21, 2016, 06:58:11 AM
Everything you write is again a very good demonstration of you are being clueless about real world and that all you 'know' is about internet media. You agree with her because she denounces the word feminism, not because you can understand her experience. You are living these 'issues' through a character designed and a side chosen by vloggers and bloggers who actually make money from this. 

It's a fact that IN THE US women who get loud about their opinion are threatened. THey ARE THREATENED by RAPE and DEATH. This happened. And still happening.
Do you have the basic intelligence to understand the nature of threatening someone for holding a conference, making a speech about her opinions? Or are you that much of a child that you think it is just nothing?

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT WATSON OR SARKEESIAN THINK. If a woman cannot avoid millions of online attacks just because a group of men WERE OFFENDED by what they are saying, stop talking about how hostile and bitchy SJWs are OR how they are just acting out of being OFFENDED.

Shut the fuck up about the gender equality while you cannot provide a safe ground for someone to say their opinion about it out loud, while the whole fucking America CANNOT SHUT UP about how much of a 'freedom of speech' they have. Bullshit. You have colourfully painted, polished and marketed bullshit. And it makes money.

This is exactly what is going on the Middle East. How stupid someone needs to be to fool themselves into that it is something else when it happens in their own country? How stupid you need to be to ignore this and still go on with a fucking apologist rhetoric trying to make this look right somehow?


That's why there is no arguing point and that's why I dismiss you as a kid. Because you are a v/blog triggered angry kid.



Quote from: mauricio on February 21, 2016, 07:33:21 PM
So after that whine are you feeling good now? How about some actual non irrelevant shit i can respond too about my actual claims? Come on my childish arguments must be easy peasy for a big girl like you.
Shit flinging it is.

Luckily I've brought my umbrella!

(Note: I do know I sling shit from time to time. I've even have sling shit with both of you in the past. That being said, observing is fun as well...my shit is still the most odorous and sticky!)
Some people need to be beaten with a smart stick.

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Kein Mitlied F�r Die Mehrheit!

mauricio

#33
February 22, 2016, 02:05:59 AM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on February 22, 2016, 12:53:22 AM
Shit flinging it is.

Luckily I've brought my umbrella!

(Note: I do know I sling shit from time to time. I've even have sling shit with both of you in the past. That being said, observing is fun as well...my shit is still the most odorous and sticky!)

Well like i said she is clearly more interested in criticizing me as a person than my ideas so¯\_(ãƒ,,)_/¯  i gave up on having a proper discussion with her after i realized she has a hard time understanding the actual meaning of my sentences and would rather stick with her misinterpretation even after i expanded and properly explained what i meant. Seems to be in part due to a language barrier. I find her english rather confusing at times too and my grammar can get messy too. This compounded with using sarcasm and reductio ad absurdum arguments can make my point hard to see.

drunkenshoe

#34
February 22, 2016, 04:53:59 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on February 21, 2016, 07:44:22 PM
Tune in next week to find out if Mauricio will ever stop whinging about feminists and SJWs. Next week on As The Forum Turns.

I don't think he can help it. You'll say 'you are not helping it either', but I think this is something different. 
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

drunkenshoe

#35
February 22, 2016, 05:03:49 AM
Quote from: The Skeletal Atheist on February 22, 2016, 12:53:22 AM
(Note: I do know I sling shit from time to time. I've even have sling shit with both of you in the past. That being said, observing is fun as well...my shit is still the most odorous and sticky!)

Then this is shit flinging more than observation. Well the stink... He has been constantly insulting everyone who disagrees with him. He keeps telling what I am, what I am thinking...etc. He writes about something and lies about blatantly. He doesn't answer to anything properly. He is living something in his head.  This is not really funny. 
"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

Mermaid

#36
February 22, 2016, 07:55:41 AM
Quote from: aitm on February 21, 2016, 08:11:27 PM
Frankly I am rather miffed that my use of the word "roil" was completely ignored as being rather clever.
Roil is a very good word.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Mermaid

#37
February 22, 2016, 07:56:32 AM
Quote from: mauricio on February 21, 2016, 08:13:13 PM
Oh hey look someone taking a potshot without adding anything relevant to the conversation wonder why? Oh right you are still salty because you posted that RAINN page about sexual assault statistics which cited contradictory research without bating an eye. Trying to lump all the numbers together to create a frankenstein of paranoid hysteria in which you are more likely to get raped than to own a fucking dog.

http://atheistforums.com/index.php?topic=8557.msg1095747#msg1095747

Or is it because you a had a metldown and started swearing at me because i said in the chat you were intuitive for guessing some of my characther traits but not very instrospective for being unable to retrace the intuition path and expose why did you arrive to those conclusions.


Yes. Absolutely this.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

Mermaid

#38
February 22, 2016, 07:58:32 AM Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 08:04:25 AM by Mermaid
Quote from: drunkenshoe on February 22, 2016, 04:53:59 AM
I don't think he can help it. You'll say 'you are not helping it either', but I think this is something different. 
If you have the energy, get down with your bad self. I don't know how you do it. I dismissed him a long time ago as an ignorant, tirelessly angry and argumentative person who is incapable of seeing anyone else's perspective other than his own. I don't think there is any helping that. I don't have conversations with people who do not respect me and who I do not respect.
A cynical habit of thought and speech, a readiness to criticise work which the critic himself never tries to perform, an intellectual aloofness which will not accept contact with life’s realities â€" all these are marks, not as the possessor would fain to think, of superiority but of weakness. -TR

drunkenshoe

#39
February 22, 2016, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: Mermaid on February 22, 2016, 07:58:32 AM
If you have the energy, get down with your bad self. I don't know how you do it. I dismissed him a long time ago as an angry, ignorant, young and irrational person. I don't think there is any helping that. Not my job, man.

You are right. I don't know, I have a diffculty to let go. He is an angry-bitter kid. People never really feel alien to me and I have that familiar-no circumstance attitude to mess up with them. Nobody likes it of course. But in his case, it looks like something else behind it. Which brings us to your point.




"his philosophy was a mixture of three famous schools -the cynics, the stoics and the epicureans-and summed up all three of them in his famous phrase, 'you can't trust any bugger further than you can throw him, and there's nothing you can do about it, so let's have a drink.'" terry pratchett

mauricio

#40
February 22, 2016, 08:09:56 PM Last Edit: February 22, 2016, 08:15:14 PM by mauricio
Quote from: Mermaid on February 22, 2016, 07:58:32 AM
If you have the energy, get down with your bad self. I don't know how you do it. I dismissed him a long time ago as an ignorant, tirelessly angry and argumentative person who is incapable of seeing anyone else's perspective other than his own. I don't think there is any helping that. I don't have conversations with people who do not respect me and who I do not respect.

Your projection is hillarious because literally the first significant interaction between us was in that thread i posted where you started challenging me by posting the RAINN page which I thoroughly showed to be dishonest with proper citations and you just responded : "there's something wrong with you" which was disrecpectful and cowardly before i had said anything attacking you personally. The only thing i did to trigger your antipathy was debunk a feminist page with some snark directed at their failure to use statistics with dilligence. But obviously it is my fault that no rational dialogue can occur. Whatever you need to tell yourself to believe you are actually open minded about feminist topics.

BTW you are still welcomed to actually respond to that criticism of the RAINN page if you want to show everyone else you are indeed capable of having a conversation about the topic and i will engage you with no snark or insults as long as you keep it like that too, then we can truly see if im such an irrational angry person.
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