ORIGINS OF ALLAH AND THE QURAN

[neiswander]

 :103:  My Muslim friends BELIEVE god would "hate" his followers "asking too many questions"? The reason for this is the Imaams know the truth and someone is liable to find out.                                         
1. The ORIGINAL QURAN IS NOT THE ONE USED TODAY In "Islam Reviewed" (available free online) M. Ali writes: "Almost every Muslim is taught from infancy to cling to the notion that the Bible has been corrupted and changed, while the Koran is free from corruption, perfectly preserved since the time of Muhammad. But a thorough study of the textual history of the Koran will show that it is not the Bible, but the Koran that has been changed. That is what Islamic historians themselves bequeathed to us."

"The Deedats, the Joommals, and the so-called Sheiks continue their unwarranted attack on the Bible while suppressing the fact that Khalif Uthman burned all the Koranic manuscripts apart from Hafsa's, and that Governor Marwan followed the example of Uthman by destroying the Hafsa text as well. Anyone with the slightest regard for truth would have to admit that the Textus Receptus of the Koran now in circulation is a far cry from the textus originalis!"
2. ALLAH EXISTED BEFORE THE QURAN AS THE ARABAIC MOON GOD During the 19th century, Arnaud, Halevy, and Glaser went to southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qarabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translatedThousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them
3.Muhammad was Demon Possessed : read the following references from Islamic sources. Multiple Islamic sources confirmed that Muhammad was Demon Possessed.
Sirat Rasul Allah, ibn Ishaq page 106
Muhammad say "Woe is me, POSSESSED, Never shall the Quraysh say this of me! I will go to the top of the mountain and throw myself dowm that I may KILL MYSELF and gain rest."
Sirat Rasul Allah, Ibn Ishaq, page 72
''I feared a Demon had POSSESSED HIM(Muhammad), I replied that I did."
Sahih Bukhari 2.225
Gabreel did not come to Muhammad (for some time) and so one of the Quraish women said, "His SATAN has deserted him."

[Baruch]

I gave you a "like" for using decent sources.  As my historical research has it ...

Muhammad was a clairvoyant, initially with a vision, and eventually with oracular powers.  Oracular power is "automatic speech" ... and when in a trance, the many individual "epigrams" that Muhammad uttered, were written down, in several collections, but not as a book.  Some forms of automatic speech are intelligible, others are not (pentecostalism, both modern and ancient).  There are also cases of "automatic writing" which would be like a Ouija board session, with just one person.  Like a Tarot card session, a sufficiently random phenomenon, like a Ouija board session, that is intelligible (has a system of interpretation as Tarot does) ... is regarded by many people as paranormal.  It was later followers of Muhammad, ones who had known him in person, who produced written Qurans ... like Socrates and Jesus, the oracle never wrote anything down themselves.  It was these several written Qurans, that are the subject of your post.  Eventually over a 30 year period, these various versions were destroyed, added to, and edited ... to produce the one official version.  It was considered essential, given it was a theocracy, for the Abbasid Caliphate in Damascus, to have a single authoritative version ... which basically is a constitution of the Caliphate, the same way the Bible was for pre-Roman Judaism.

So if one wants to ascribe paranormal events to demons, then yes it is demonic, but then so was Moses and Jesus.  In my epistemology, I have room for paranormal experience ... but most here do not.  Prophets or demon possession are simply bogus for them.

[PopeyesPappy]

1. The ORIGINAL BIBLE IS NOT THE ONE USED TODAY
2. JEHEVOH EXISTED BEFORE THE BIBLE AS AN ANGRY DESERT GOD
3.Jesus was Demon Possessed :

FIFY

[neiswander]

popeyespappy is what in urban slang is called a "PIMK FREUD."  a mimic that has no rhyme, reason or logic just a knee jerk reaction to freudian delusion.

[Baruch]

popeyespappy is what in urban slang is called a "PIMK FREUD."  a mimic that has no rhyme, reason or logic just a knee jerk reaction to freudian delusion.

I prefer the Jungian delusion myself ;-)

[neiswander]

Muhammad admitted he was possesed or whatever term you wish to use. That is about the only proof we have. Muslims have hidden all the other evidence. BUT you have no proof nor evidence the same is true of Moses or Jesus.

[Baruch]

Muhammad admitted he was possesed or whatever term you wish to use. That is about the only proof we have. Muslims have hidden all the other evidence. BUT you have no proof nor evidence the same is true of Moses or Jesus.

Moses and Jesus are mythical, Muhammad was real.  But I wouldn't want to examine too closely what schrooms the Jewish prophets were eating ;-)

All cases of paranormal, even if only a fictional stereotype, follow certain patterns.  Mythical Moses and mythical Jesus ... are like Muhammad, only less real, and of course mythical Jesus was pacifist, like the good Buddhist he was.  Moses and Muhammad have more in common, than the first letter of their name.

[pr126]

When the Muslims realized that the bible and the Quran differ, they had to do something.
Since they declared that the Quran is the immutable word of  Allah, and Allah cannot make mistakes, the only option left is to say that the bible was altered by the Jews and Christians.

When and where, why or by whom this has taken place is not revealed.
There is simply no evidence but Muslims are convinced that this is so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsrpgBZupgU






 

[Baruch]

When the Muslims realized that the bible and the Quran differ, they had to do something.
Since they declared that the Quran is the immutable word of  Allah, and Allah cannot make mistakes, the only option left is to say that the bible was altered by the Jews and Christians.

When and where, why or by whom this has taken place is not revealed.
There is simply no evidence but Muslims are convinced that this is so.

Are you defending Gospel and Torah?  The Jewish scriptures are pulled out of Jewish asses.  Early Christian scriptures are also pulled out of Jewish asses.  Of course our asses are much better than Gentile asses ... but I digress ;-)

Of course scripture has been modified ... including the Quran.  None of it (if you don't believe in G-d) came from any divine source, it is simply an accumulation of self-referent fan fiction written by the immature.

It would be better for people to simply drop religion and scripture in the nearest trash bin ... and either have a direct relationship with G-d or not.  But then I am "talking my book" as they say about duplicitous stock brokers ;-)

[pr126]

I do not defend anything here.

Please try and post with a little more sense.
Stop these irreverent quips that do not contribute to the discussion.
Don't be a putz.

[Baruch]

You won't give credit to Muslims ... that they are correct about Jewish/Christian scripture.  I am not expecting you to endorse Muslim scripture.  You could have chosen to condemn all scripture two posts ago ... but you chose not to, it sounded like .... everything a Muslim says is a lie, so if they criticize the Bible then ... the Bible must be true.  But maybe I read too much into it.

[pr126]

You won't give credit to Muslims ... that they are correct about Jewish/Christian scripture.  I am not expecting you to endorse Muslim scripture.  You could have chosen to condemn all scripture two posts ago ... but you chose not to, it sounded like .... everything a Muslim says is a lie, so if they criticize the Bible then ... the Bible must be true.  But maybe I read too much into it.

Yes, you do. All scriptures, irrespective of origin are man made.

All religions, every god that ever existed, and there were many thousands in the past, and those still exist are man made.
Yes, even yours that you cannot even write properly, for reasons best known to you.

[Sargon The Grape]

Yes, you do. All scriptures, irrespective of origin are man made.

All religions, every god that ever existed, and there were many thousands in the past, and those still exist are man made.
Yes, even yours that you cannot even write properly, for reasons best known to you.

Baruch on his worst day is still more interesting than your paranoid ramblings about "teh ebul mooselambs."


Secretly a Warsie.

[josephpalazzo]

Muhammad admitted he was possesed or whatever term you wish to use. That is about the only proof we have. Muslims have hidden all the other evidence. BUT you have no proof nor evidence the same is true of Moses or Jesus.

And what is the evidence for Moses and Jesus? Oh wait, the bible... :25:

[pr126]

Baruch on his worst day is still more interesting than your paranoid ramblings about "teh ebul mooselambs."


Secretly a Warsie.

Correction.  My paranoid ramblings are about the evil Islam. Not Muslims. Which is the ideology, not people.

But it is much easier to shut conversation down by implying that people are under attack, not their ideology.

Islam - Muslims are creatively interchangeable as situation demands.

In fact, I think the word Islamophobia is a misnomer.
It should have been Muslimophobia.

Makes more sense.