Recent stuff involving Islam on the forum

[Draconic Aiur]

LOL, you'll find the threads are easier to read, flow better, and are more organized if you just skip his posts.

You mean Baruch?

[Baruch]

You mean Baruch?

For me, the point isn't what you learn from me, but what I learn from you.  "Ignore" won't stop that.  Reading Shoe in particular is always worthwhile ... even though we agree on nothing.

[Atheon]

I'm not against Christians; I'm against Christianity.
I'm not against Jews; I'm against Judaism.
I'm not against Muslims; I'm against Islam.
I'm not against Hindus; I'm against Hinduism.
I'm not against Buddhists; I'm against Buddhism.
Etc. Etc.

I'm not against the religious; I'm against religion. I don't manifest my opposition to religion as bigotry against people or groups.

[FaithIsFilth]

It's a moot point. You can't apply logic to hate, or to any emotion for that matter. But people will hate whether it's the sin or sinner. And humans are not necessarily always logic. And it's a good thing as logic is limited. We would be diminished were we just being logical.

Of course we can't just be logical 100 percent of the time, but I don't see any downside to being logical when it comes to hate. There are benefits to rising above hate, and there is a downside to letting hate rule you. Look at someone like Minimalist over at AF.org. I just read a thread over there about hate, and he said he hates all "republicunts". The guy is a complete man child, and has to be the biggest clown I've ever come across on the Internet. Hate has done this to him. It has poisoned him and turned him into a man child who hates tens of millions of his fellow Americans.

What benefits do we get from hating people? I'm not diminished by letting go of hate. I'm a happier person having let go of hate. Hate can eat away at you and poison you. I used to support the torture of Muslim terrorists, until I stopped looking at them as "the other" and imagined myself in their shoes for once. I let go of the hate, and I finally understood why torturing these people for information was wrong.

[josephpalazzo]

Of course we can't just be logical 100 percent of the time, but I don't see any downside to being logical when it comes to hate. There are benefits to rising above hate, and there is a downside to letting hate rule you. Look at someone like Minimalist over at AF.org. I just read a thread over there about hate, and he said he hates all "republicunts". The guy is a complete man child, and has to be the biggest clown I've ever come across on the Internet. Hate has done this to him. It has poisoned him and turned him into a man child who hates tens of millions of his fellow Americans.

What benefits do we get from hating people? I'm not diminished by letting go of hate. I'm a happier person having let go of hate. Hate can eat away at you and poison you. I used to support the torture of Muslim terrorists, until I stopped looking at them as "the other" and imagined myself in their shoes for once. I let go of the hate, and I finally understood why torturing these people for information was wrong.

Well, that's another matter. My post to you was about distinguishing between "hate the sin" from "hate the sinner". And for some, there is no difference. Like any emotion, whether hate or love, it can consume you and destroy your life. The trick is you in control of your emotions, not the other way around.

[stromboli]

[Solomon Zorn]

But if you know your Genesis ... this is the product of the descendants of Cain ... the first murderer.

I thought they were supposedly the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, half brother of Isaac, of whom it was said, "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

[GSOgymrat]

What benefits do we get from hating people?

Hate can be a strong motivator and move people to action who might otherwise be apathetic. That is the only benefit I can think of.

[josephpalazzo]

Hate can be a strong motivator and move people to action who might otherwise be apathetic. That is the only benefit I can think of.

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. They can be creative as well as destructive. In the long run though, cool rational thinking wins out over passion.

[Baruch]

I thought they were supposedly the descendants of Ishmael, son of Abraham, half brother of Isaac, of whom it was said, "He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."

Arabs are descended from Noah, same as everyone else.  Technologists (metal workers) are Kenites, and they are descended from Kain.  They had their own boat (not a technical challenge for them, it was Noah that needed instructions).

[Shiranu]

Love and hate are two sides of the same coin. They can be creative as well as destructive. In the long run though, cool rational thinking wins out over passion.

"A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it." - Rabindranath Tagore

Tell that to the mad scientists, or who have committed terrible crimes against humanity without a shred of emotion, or politicans who fuck over millions for their own agendas. "Pure logic" is just as dangerous as blind emotion.

[josephpalazzo]

Difference Between Logical and Rational

[Baruch]

"A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it." - Rabindranath Tagore

Tell that to the mad scientists, or who have committed terrible crimes against humanity without a shred of emotion, or politicans who fuck over millions for their own agendas. "Pure logic" is just as dangerous as blind emotion.

Society degrades to the degree that it rejects poetry and music.  Maybe that quote sounded better in the original Bengali? ;-)

A modern rendition of a Tagore song ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlvbMcXBnOs&list=PLB3EEAA693F1E20F7

[Baruch]

Difference Between Logical and Rational

And that was a good post ... not Stormfront at all.  The problem with being rational, is that the real numbers and complex numbers are unavailable to you ;-)  The problem with being logical, is that it doesn't prevent one from being consistently wrong ;-)

[Shiranu]

Difference Between Logical and Rational

Nice ignore list :p