Recent stuff involving Islam on the forum

[GrinningYMIR]

Okay so everyone is aware of the recent surge of Islamic articles on the forum. Nothing new there to be honest, just another religion that stands for everything that we stand against. In that regard they're not that different from Catholics where they think we are the worst types of people, atheists. Atheists who must be destroyed at worst or shunned at best.

We all know that.

Only now I'm seeing a thing where anti Islam is being seen not as atheistic thing and more like an "islamophobic" thing. I'm also seeing a surge of articles that show pity towards Muslims and sarcasm that says that Muslims are not as bad as they say and we should not treat them bad. And western apologies and anti western rhetoric

Okay so here's the thing

We are atheists. We are not religious. Muslims and Catholics and Christians and Jews all have a moral duty to try to convert us or kill us as apostates. That's the facts.


I am anti Islam, I am also anti Christian and anti Judaism and anti everything else. Therefore I don't care if Muslims are mistreated in the us becaus they would MURDER ME in a nation that was majority Muslim. Just like I don't care about Christians mistreated because the majority of time their mistreatment consists of them not being allowed to spread their Christians values and again

DESTROY ME.

I'm a jaded person, the Syrian civil war is bad, but I don't have a supreme amount of sympathy for many refugees because again they would have shunned/tried to kill me if their nation was a primarily Islamic nation. In truth i support nations like Austria and Denmark who have reached capacity with refugees and are closing borders/taking their valuables above a certain percentage in order to pay for their care. (The latter already being done to Danish citizens before they qualify for unemployment. Basically it says that you have to sell everything worth more than 1400 kuros before the government takes care of you, no leeching)

So I don't care that Muslims are mistreated

I don't want to wear a headscarf in solidarity

And we all know that if the us became a majority Muslim nation. Or even a Christian theocracy, we would all be hunted and forced to convert, exiled, or shot in the head and our belongings claimed by the religious members of the state.

In conclusions

Fuck Muslims
Fuck Catholics
Fuck Protestants
Fuck Shia
Fuck Sunni
Fuck Hindus
Fuck Jews
Fuck those other guys

Buddhists aren't that bad

And fuck cultists


I don't care. They would kill me. They deserve no sympathy or brotherhood as a people, maybe as a exception for friends and family as all exist

But as a people they would murder me for what I am. A bisexual atheist


That's the fact jack

[TomFoolery]

Only now I'm seeing a thing where anti Islam is being seen not as atheistic thing and more like an "islamophobic" thing. I'm also seeing a surge of articles that show pity towards Muslims and sarcasm that says that Muslims are not as bad as they say and we should not treat them bad.

Muslims in general aren't as bad as you say. They aren't. Some of the anti-Islam articles that get posted come from some of the most vitriolic conspiracy theory websites in existence, and I wouldn't tolerate that shit being passed off as "news" no matter who it's about.

I don't mind articles condemning the ultra-conservative Christian right or fundamentalist Muslims. I agree. Fuck those people. But there are shades of Christians: I would never throw my ultra-liberal Lutheran grandparents into the same lot that I throw the Westboro Baptist Church. No one posts a lot of articles explaining how every average Joe who goes to First Baptist Church of Podunk Illinois is secretly plotting to murder abortion clinic doctors and institute a Christian theocracy in America. Basically, anyone who knows anything about the situation understands there's the dangerous conservative Christian right full of people like the Duggars, Mike Huckabee and Joshua Feuerstein, and then there's all those other Christians who believe in God and go about their daily lives not really giving a fuck.

But that is not at all how Islam is treated on these forums by a handful of people. According to some, Islam and all of its adherents are out to rule the planet. And that's just ridiculous.

[The Skeletal Atheist]

Do you want a shitstorm? Cause this is how you get a shitstorm.

[TomFoolery]

Do you want a shitstorm? Cause this is how you get a shitstorm.

No kidding.

I find it awkward that I've spent a lot of my atheist existence defending the fact that you can be a good person and be an atheist to religious people, but now I find myself explaining to atheists that you can also be a good person and believe in a god.

[GrinningYMIR]

Do you want a shitstorm? Cause this is how you get a shitstorm.

Eh. I'm tired of PR and shir always making article after article with their proxy war. This way it's all out in the open. I hate Muslims and I hate Christians

I don't care if either is mistreated

[TomFoolery]

I don't care if either is mistreated

I prefer peace, otherwise it turns into a lot of Hatfields and McCoys bullshit and that's how religions keep going. People like having factions to root for, and when one feels like it's been slighted, it just ignites a new wave of fervor.

It's amazing how little Christians care about their religion until they feel like they're "under attack."

[GrinningYMIR]

I prefer peace, otherwise it turns into a lot of Hatfields and McCoys bullshit and that's how religions keep going. People like having factions to root for, and when one feels like it's been slighted, it just ignites a new wave of fervor.

It's amazing how little Christians care about their religion until they feel like they're "under attack."

I have to hide what I am otherwise a gang of Christian boys will beat me down in public places, I haven't told my family that I'm bi or an atheist because they'll kick me to the streets

You'll forgive me if I don't see peace as an option after what I have seen

[stromboli]

One 7-11 owner is a Muslim another is a Sikh and I buy coffee and milk from both. Ain't shooting anybody. I think you'd discover if you look that a lot of "pro" Islam comes from Shiranu, who I believe has that heritage. There is some definite anti on here from other people. Its a forum, a place for discussion. If people get butthurt, shit happens. I've been butthurt my share of times as well.

I'm not going to get offended by either, but then I don'r have any real axes to grind in that arena. My son had mostly positive things to say about Iraqis and Afghanis serving over there, so pick and choose as you see fit.

[FaithIsFilth]

In conclusions

Fuck Muslims
Fuck Catholics
Fuck Protestants
Fuck Shia
Fuck Sunni
Fuck Hindus
Fuck Jews
Fuck those other guys

Buddhists aren't that bad

And fuck cultists

You forgot one OP.

Fuck bigots who think they hold the moral high ground, but are worse than the Western Muslims that mean us no harm and just want to live their lives in peace. Being ok with Muslims being mistreated is no better than someone mistreating you for being bisexual or a fat slob. We should be anti-Islam since it's a bunch of garbage, but being ok with certain people being mistreated is bigotry, and there is no way around that. None.

[GrinningYMIR]

You forgot one OP.

Fuck bigots who think they hold the moral high ground, but are worse than the Western Muslims that mean us no harm and just want to live their lives in peace. Being ok with Muslims being mistreated is no better than someone mistreating you for being bisexual or a fat slob. We should be anti-Islam since it's a bunch of garbage, but being ok with certain people being mistreated is bigotry, and there is no way around that. None.

I never denied being a bigot. I hate who I hate for what they stand for and I don't claim to be on a oral high ground, I have friends who are Christian and Muslim. Good people. I hate their religion.

I don't care if they're mistreated. Because I've been my whole life and I've survived. Ever been beaten into a corner by your parents? Ever been attacked because you don't believe? Whipped with a belt because you said god dammit? Ever have that?

I don't care. Never have. Never will. The goodness in me was beaten out a long time ago. And I don't speak in metaphors

[stromboli]

Lol. Its still a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how objectionable it might be. Chide away, people. Chide away.

[pr126]

The problem is that if one is dissing / criticizing Islam, the ideology it is immediately, every single time without fail is transposed of dissing / demonizing Muslims.

No such problems exist in America with Christianity.
They are not violent murderers, rapist, slavers. The are not a minority, and all white.
No fear of violent retaliation. Let them have it with both barrels.

Muslims on the other hand, happen to be the protected species of our time.
Because we cannot be sure when and where they will take offense and turn nasty.
So we got to be nice. Or else.

[Mike Cl]

I agree with the OP.  But not to the point of violence.  There are no Muslims that are sane.  There are no religious that are sane.  That does not mean they are violent.  But I do think that religion has a way of making otherwise peaceful people violent.  I think that the muslim terrorists need to be made aware by their own kind that their actions are not acceptable.  The typical muslim should not be neutral.  It is their religion that is being used by the most violent.  And if the rest of Islam cannot or will not try to stop them, they will never be stopped.

[pr126]

I think that the muslim terrorists need to be made aware by their own kind that their actions are not acceptable.  The typical muslim should not be neutral.  It is their religion that is being used by the most violent.  And if the rest of Islam cannot or will not try to stop them, they will never be stopped.

The problem with that is that no Muslim can criticize other Muslims when they are doing what Muhammad done and it is part of the Quran and the sunna.
To do so is tantamount to apostasy, punishable by death.
Sorry, but this is Islam. 
Islam's rules has not changed for 14 centuries. It is highly unlikely that it will change anytime soon.

[Baruch]

Mike CL - Read history.  They will never be stopped, and we will never be stopped.  History doesn't stop.

GrinningYMIR - there are days when I want all the bullshit to stop too.  Get ahold of yourself, get a good nights sleep, and you can start a new day.

pr126 - I understand your problem is primarily barbarians against the civilized ... and if you are facing barbarians, you have to kill them.  But don't come to the US to save your lazy asses again.  And if you ask, we should ignore you, rather than scheme with you in Libya etc.  Italy and France were the ones who pushed for the Libyan intervention.  Both are more or less Christian ... and like the colonial powers that they are, they project their violence outside their borders.  If all the world were Italy or France ... then their violence would be inward by definition.  So yes, the civilized are violent, just not as Third World poor folk.  Or continue the Roman Imperial fantasy ... that the Empire brings justice etc.

GrinningYMIR ... if one is anti-Judeo-Christian or anti-Greco-Roman then by definition one is anti-Western.  Atheism isn't Western or Eastern.  And yes, Buddhists can be bad, just ask the Japanese.  And I am sorry you feel/are so oppressed at home.