Muslim Leaders 'Expose ISIS' Lies’ In Digital Magazine

[josephpalazzo]

This is true, thought i would say the average muslim is peaceful but probably more conservative in things like sexual mores and religious traditions, than your average European.
The thing is , coming back to the context of the thread, the immigrants and refugees coming to europe currently are not just muslims they are much more distinct individuals with a set of characteristics that will cause problems to europe (I described some of those in a post to crucifycindy in the previous page basically they are poor, they are in psychological distress, and they are coming into an alien culture.) . The decision to accept refugees is a decision that needs to be taken with a realistic perspective too.  Not just idealistically.

Many posters are from America where Islam doesn't pose any real threat to the American way of life, at least for now. But Europe is a whole different case. Before the refugee crisis, already there were severe tensions between Muslims and their hosts. With the refugee crisis - there is little choice but to accept them, the alternative would be to let them die on the street and that is not acceptable - the tensions certainly will grow. Is the European leadership capable to turn this around and give these  refugees a decent life? It won't happen if there is a large segment of the population that feels threatened and undermines the considerable amount of effort required to achieve that goal.

[Baruch]

It is geopolitics, all the way down ;-(.  But ethics between gangsters is still useful, capiche?  My ex was part Sicilian.  And we both knew a vendetta was a bad idea.

[josephpalazzo]

It is geopolitics, all the way down ;-(.  But ethics between gangsters is still useful, capiche?  My ex was part Sicilian.  And we both knew a vendetta was a bad idea.

Ethics deals with the rules of conduct within the context of a society where there is a legislative body (to establish the rules), the courts (to determine if the rules were broken) and a police force (to make sure the rules are not broken). In geopolitics, there is no such structure: it's whoever has the bigger guns rules (also known as the law of the jungle). Yes, humans have tried to establish that kind of structure on the international scene (the international court at Hague, the UN at NYC) but it doesn't work, and most likely will never work. For your ethics to apply in geopolitics, you would have to establish ONE government for all, ONE court for all, ONE police force for all. Dream on.

[Baruch]

Legislation?  That is "legality" not "ethics".  Ethics is the AMA ... not.

[josephpalazzo]

Legislation?  That is "legality" not "ethics".  Ethics is the AMA ... not.

Which part of "a legislative body (to establish the rules)," don't you understand?

[Baruch]

Usually that implies a political body, not doctors at a conference getting drunk.  I follow the Oath of Maimonides myself, not the Hippocratic Oath.  I am not a medical doctor, but I did sleep overnight at a Holiday Inn Express ;-)

[josephpalazzo]

Usually that implies a political body, not doctors at a conference getting drunk.  I follow the Oath of Maimonides myself, not the Hippocratic Oath.  I am not a medical doctor, but I did sleep overnight at a Holiday Inn Express ;-)

Who cares about doctors, unless you need medical advice? Hey yoohoo, get your head cleared up, ethics deals with rules of conducts, and those are established by the legislative body of the country.

[Sargon The Grape]

Of course there are plenty Muslims who do not want eternal warfare, who would like to live in peace.
But what are they doing to convince their coreligionist of that, without getting themselves killed for it?

Can they openly reject the Quran and the teachings of Muhammad? Would they still be regarded as Muslims? 

The same reason most atheists aren't in the streets protesting communism.

[pr126]

Protesting communism will not get you killed. Well, maybe in North Korea. I don't know.  Other than that, no.

Muslims protesting against Islam's teaching could be a health risk.

[Sargon The Grape]

Protesting communism will not get you killed. Well, maybe in North Korea. I don't know.  Other than that, no.

Muslims protesting against Islam's teaching could be a health risk.

I think you've answered your own question, at this point. Atheists don't protest an oppressive atheistic ideology even though it is perfectly safe to do so; whether it's because it doesn't affect him personally or he's just too busy putting food on the table, Average Joe Atheist doesn't go to anti-communist protests. Now remember that Average Joe Muslim has the same concerns in life, but also has to worry about being killed if he tries to do anything about it.

The best people will remain silent under the best of circumstances. Why, then, are you criticizing those who are silent in worse circumstances?

[Shiranu]

You couldn't care less because it does not affect you personally.  YET.
All the bad things happen far away, to other people. not your worry.

You clearly haven't seen my posts before, then.

And the "culture" which is governed by Islam, a way of life, is not nice by a long shot. 
Try living as an atheist in an Islam dominated country, experience the "nice" culture close up and personal,  see how long you last.

About as long as if I was going to advertise myself as atheist in a place like Colombia or certain parts of Mexico I would reckon.

Suppose that Islam will dominate Europe, which is a probability.

You use that word probability... I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yes, it's a probability... it's also "probable" that aliens run the government. Just not particularly likely.

[pr126]

You use that word probability... I do not think it means what you think it means.

Yes, it's a probability... it's also "probable" that aliens run the government. Just not particularly likely.

EURISLAM

[Baruch]

Islam has made Europe its bitch before.  Though not without opposition.  Maybe if it happens again, y'all can take your obsessions off of the poor Russians.

[SilentFutility]

If someone was here only to post anti-Christian things, calling them scum and worthless and a threat to our way of life that anyday will force us to follow biblical law, then yes I would consider them bigoted and obnoxious.

Quite a few. But as Byakuren pointed out, it's very easy to focus on the negative things that sell, and not the positives that don't.

How many christian states are executing people for apostasy? How many large-scale christian armed groups that engage in middles-ages style pillaging, raping and torturing across country-sized pieces of land are there?

I consider all organised religions to be a threat to the average person just wanting to live their own life in peace on some level, in that wars can be started over any ideology and fundamentalists use them to brutalise others, but let's be realistic for a moment about the nature of facing multiple threats: some are more immediate and threatening than others.

In most western european countries there are members of virtually every world religion, often living in somewhat close proximity. Some more disruptive and threatening than others. It is simply reality that out of all religions, ideologies and groups threatening world peace right now, in 2015, there is one that is particularly dangerous.

[Shiranu]

It is simply reality that out of all religions, ideologies and groups threatening world peace right now, in 2015, there is one that is particularly dangerous.

And if you think that is Islam you are, frankly, deluded.

If we are going by just flat out kill count, Islam still has a long way to go in the last 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 years to various Western and Chinese ideologies. Same with oppression of minorities.