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Started by Givemeareason, April 29, 2015, 08:37:08 AM

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Givemeareason

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2015, 06:29:55 PM
Why do I think you should give reasons?  I guess because, (stupid me) that we would have a discussion.  How can you have a discussion if ideas and reasons aren't discussed?  I don't care about other opinions--just yours.  That is what a discussion is--a give and take between two people--and I guess whoever else on this forum wants to join in.  As of yet you have not given one reason for anything.  That leads me to believe you are basically fucking with us.  What other conclusion can I come up with???

I am not sure what you are referring to any more.  My answers are not usually yes or no.  I often don't think that way.  I may be the unfocused philosopher you referred to at least while I have been here.  I don't see black and white well so it is difficult to take that point of view without becoming dishonest.  And I am not much of a politician.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

aitm

and I am sure they wish we could view them as something other than raving homophobic, misogynistic racists……but that seems unlikely as they have no intention of stopping eh?
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Givemeareason

Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2015, 07:14:46 PM
and I am sure they wish we could view them as something other than raving homophobic, misogynistic racists……but that seems unlikely as they have no intention of stopping eh?

Then it's back to war.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Mike Cl

Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 07:01:28 PM
I am not sure what you are referring to any more.  My answers are not usually yes or no.  I often don't think that way.  I may be the unfocused philosopher you referred to at least while I have been here.  I don't see black and white well so it is difficult to take that point of view without becoming dishonest.  And I am not much of a politician.
And you definitely not a conversationalist.  Not seeing black and white is different than not having an opinion at all.  And you don't have any--or any you can articulate.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Givemeareason

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2015, 08:20:05 PM
And you definitely not a conversationalist.  Not seeing black and white is different than not having an opinion at all.  And you don't have any--or any you can articulate.

We just haven't encountered all my opinions yet.  Say something really hard right conservative and we can probably really get into it.  How about abortion, creationism, guns, Fox news, free trade, the meaning of life.....
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

PickelledEggs


Mike Cl

Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 08:48:50 PM
We just haven't encountered all my opinions yet.  Say something really hard right conservative and we can probably really get into it.  How about abortion, creationism, guns, Fox news, free trade, the meaning of life.....
Have a good time with your opinions.  I'm finished trying to have a one sided conversation with myself.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

aitm

Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 07:25:38 PM
 

Then it's back to war.

well its kind of a one sided war wouldn't you say? I mean, all we ask is that true freedom of religion should and must imply freedom from religion while they insist that their religion be the standard of the entire world and everyone else must kiss their ass. Put their motto on the money, on buildings, preach it in the schools at a football game at the race track in the office,, I mean, its not even close.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

Givemeareason

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Have a good time with your opinions.  I'm finished trying to have a one sided conversation with myself.

What's wrong with that?  I talk to myself all the time. :-)
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

PickelledEggs

Quote from: Mike Cl on April 30, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Have a good time with your opinions.  I'm finished trying to have a one sided conversation with myself.
He's like MozartLink.... but with shorter comments

Mike Cl

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?<br />Then he is not omnipotent,<br />Is he able but not willing?<br />Then whence cometh evil?<br />Is he neither able or willing?<br />Then why call him god?

Givemeareason

Quote from: aitm on April 30, 2015, 09:35:51 PM
well its kind of a one sided war wouldn't you say? I mean, all we ask is that true freedom of religion should and must imply freedom from religion while they insist that their religion be the standard of the entire world and everyone else must kiss their ass. Put their motto on the money, on buildings, preach it in the schools at a football game at the race track in the office,, I mean, its not even close.

That is all just retaliation.  And I hate it too.  But this war has been growing and it may be just the inevitable consequence of being increasingly unable to remain isolated.
I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

Givemeareason

I am a Hard Athiest.  I am thought provoking inwardly and outwardly.  I am a nonconforming freethinker.

aitm

Quote from: Givemeareason on April 30, 2015, 09:51:22 PM
That is all just retaliation.  And I hate it too.  But this war has been growing and it may be just the inevitable consequence of being increasingly unable to remain isolated.

The big difference is the internet. The availability to find information far quicker and with no one looking over your shoulder, access to real science and logic is available to anyone now. This is the driving force for rational and intelligent thought which means less religiosity among the masses. The war is not such a war as an awakening, it will, hopefully continue to grow and there is no real way to stop it.
A humans desire to live is exceeded only by their willingness to die for another. Even god cannot equal this magnificent sacrifice. No god has the right to judge them.-first tenant of the Panotheust

doorknob

Quote from: PickelledEggs on April 30, 2015, 09:45:49 PM
He's like MozartLink.... but with shorter comments

on the floor over here!