Started by stromboli, January 27, 2015, 08:16:43 PM
QuoteThe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints held a rare news conference in Salt Lake City today that is drawing headlines about a supposedly new, accommodating stand on gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender rights.The Mormon church is now willing, news accounts says, to support anti-discrimination legislation in the realms of housing and employment. In return, all the Mormons want are laws that â€œprotect religious freedom.â€We already have that. Itâ€™s called the Bill of Rights. So what is the church really after?The news conference, said D. Todd Cristofferson, one of the 12 apostles of the church, was held to raise concerns about â€œthe increasing tensions and polarization between advocates of religious freedom on the one hand and advocates of gay rights on the other.â€ Another apostle, Jeffrey R. Holland, said church leaders were calling for â€œlaws that protect faith communities and individualsâ€ against unfair treatment.Thatâ€™s fake â€œwar on religionâ€ speak. What they want is legal permission to use their religion as an excuse to discriminate.The Associated Press explained: â€œMormon leaders still want to hire and fire workers based not only on religious beliefs, but also on behavior standards known as honor codes that require gays and lesbians to remain celibate or marry someone of the opposite sex. The church also wants legal protections for religious objectors who work in government and health care, such as a physician who refuses to perform an abortion, or provide artificial insemination for a lesbian couple.â€Substitute the word â€œblackâ€ or â€œJewishâ€ or â€œCatholicâ€ or, say, â€œMormonâ€ for LGBT in these statements, and everyone would be outraged.Or, as Sarah Warbelow, legal director of the Human Rights Campaign, an advocacy group for LGBT rights, put it: â€œAll Americans should have the right to be employed, receive housing and services in environments free of discrimination. We await the day the church embraces that fully, without any exceptions or exemptions.â€The churchâ€™s â€œnewâ€ position looks like an outgrowth of the Supreme Courtâ€™s Hobby Lobby ruling, in which a 5-4 majority said the owner of a closely held business could refuse to comply with a federal law (in that case, the Affordable Care Act) on the basis of his personal religious views.Apparently the news conference today was the product of five yearsâ€™ behind-the-scenes negotiations. Five years for this?
Quote from: Sal1981 on January 28, 2015, 05:18:51 AMReminds me of the old "Intelligent Design" schlick posing as anything other than Christian Creationism woo woo.I only see this as an attempt to move goal posts from what is really going on, discrimination based on who they share beds with "religious freedom". Well fuck your religious freedom sensibilities.
Quote from: stromboli on January 27, 2015, 08:16:43 PMhttp://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/takingnote/2015/01/27/on-discrimination-the-mormon-church-gives-and-takes-away/?smid=tw-share&referrer=What the church is basically saying is they have the right for religious reasons (a la Hobby Lobby)to not hire anyone who doesn't meet their standards, which is whatever they deem them to be; i.e. "religious freedom."
Quote from: stromboli on January 29, 2015, 12:28:15 PMYeah. good luck with that. the good news is the church is bleeding at the seams- there is no solid number of how many people have left the church, but 2 of the exmo forums I frequent each have over 10,000 members. This serve only to confirm for the righteous what they already felt and further alienates everybody else. The only concern from my standpoint is that the LGBT community in Utah, Idaho and elsewhere have to look for employment with companies that aren't affiliated religiously.
Quote from: Solitary on January 29, 2015, 11:48:23 AMConservative religion in the USA world is a disease that needs to be eradicated like ISIS. We need to put all the radicals on a desert Island planet in another galaxy, take the technology back after delivering them there, they can't build it by themselves anyway fight it out until only one is standing, then shoot him, or her. and don't even bother to watch them killing each other
Quote from: Penny Dreadful on April 22, 2015, 11:02:04 AMFixed for ya. :p
Quote from: Solitary on January 29, 2015, 11:48:23 AMConservative religion in the USA is a disease that needs to be eradicated like ISIS. We need to put all the radicals on a desert Island and let them fight it out until only one is standing, then shoot him, or her.