Alan Henning killed by Islamic state killers

[Munch]

Islam, the religion of peace.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11111167/British-hostage-Alan-Henning-beheaded-by-Islamic-State-killers.html

The Islamic State has released a video appearing to show the beheading of Alan Henning, a British aid worker kidnapped in Syria, in retaliation for UK strikes against the jihadist group.
After the video was released David Cameron vowed to “hunt down” the “barbaric and repulsive terrorists” who were responsible.
The British-accented jihadist, nicknamed "Jihadi John" appears in the video and declares that Mr Henning's "blood is on the hands of the British parliament".

Like David Haines, another Briton murdered two weeks ago, Mr Henning speaks briefly to the camera as he kneels by the jihadist.
"I'm Alan Henning. Because of our parliament's decision to attack the Islamic state I, as a member of the British public, will now pay the price for that decision," he says.

The masked jihadist then addresses the camera, saying: "The blood of David Haines is on your hands Cameron. Alan Henning will also be slaughtered but his blood is on the hands of the British parliament".
The video, which is just over a minute long, ends with the jihadist threatening an American hostage in retaliation for the American bombardment of Isil.

The Prime Minister said: "The brutal murder of Alan Henning by ISIL shows just how barbaric and repulsive these terrorists are.
"My thoughts and prayers tonight are with Alan's wife Barbara, their children and all those who loved him.
"Alan had gone to Syria to help get aid to people of all faiths in their hour of need. The fact that he was taken hostage when trying to help others and now murdered demonstrates that there are no limits to the depravity of these ISIL terrorists.
"We will do all we can to hunt down these murderers and bring them to justice."
If the video is found to be authentic, it will mean Mr Henning is the fourth Westerner to be murdered by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil) and follows the killing of David Haines. It came despite British Muslim leaders joining forces to urge his release and hours after dozens of Turkish hostages were freed in mysterious circumstances.

The 47-year-old from Manchester was kidnapped within half an hour of entering Syria in an aid convoy.
A fellow volunteer said locals pleaded with him not to cross the border but Mr Henning was determined to ensure aid reached people in need.
As well as Mr Haines, his death follows the murders of two American journalists, James Foley and Steven Sotloff, and will further intensify pressure on Barack Obama and David Cameron to urgently end the jihadi group's brutal reign of fear in Iraq and Syria.
Each killing followed a similar ritual, with the victim - dressed in an orange jumpsuit and guarded by a masked man holding a knife - forced to condemn Western policies towards the region.

Mr Henning, who was married with two teenage children, had taken unpaid leave from his job to join a charity convoy delivering aid to Idlib, in north-west Syria.

It later emerged that he had unwittingly became involved with a charity with links to alleged extremists.
He was abducted as he drove an ambulance for Rochdale Aid 4 Syria, which raised money on behalf of Al-Fatiha Global, a charity currently being investigation by the Charity Commission after one of its leaders was photographed with his arms around two hooded fighters carrying machine guns.
After his capture, Mr Henning told other hostages not to worry about him, believing he would be freed "in no time because I'm just an aid worker".
His detention was subject to a media black-out in order to help the effort to free him. However, that came to an end when he was pictured in the video showing Mr Haines' death, with the clear warning that Mr Henning would be next.
Friends, relatives and religious leaders all emphasised his work for Syrian Muslims in their appeals for his release.
"Please show him some mercy and understand he is a humanitarian aid worker. He's not a fighter, he's not come there for no political reasons, he's come there strictly to help the people," said Majid Freeman, who travelled to Syria with Mr Henning in an aid convoy.
A third British hostage has also been paraded before the cameras. In a series of slickly-produced video, John Cantlie, a photojournalist, said he was captured after arriving in Syria in November 2012 and has spoke out against the West's intervention against Isil.

[Shiranu]

Islam, the religion of peace.

declares that Mr Henning's "blood is on the hands of the British parliament".

"I'm Alan Henning. Because of our parliament's decision to attack the Islamic state...

"The blood of David Haines is on your hands Cameron. ...

...ends with the jihadist threatening an American hostage in retaliation for the American bombardment of Isil.

It came despite British Muslim leaders joining forces to urge his release...

Each killing followed a similar ritual, with the victim - dressed in an orange jumpsuit and guarded by a masked man holding a knife - forced to condemn Western policies towards the region.

Friends, relatives and religious leaders all emphasised his work for Syrian Muslims in their appeals for his release.

I'm sorry, I just don't get how you can read this, much less quote this article and say, "Damn, it's Islam's fault!".

The terrorists themselves are saying, "We are doing this for political reasons.". Muslim leaders (who are, coincidentally, condemning this) are saying, "They are doing this for political reasons.", and yet somehow we still need to fill this agenda of, "AHHH MUSLIM! THEIR RELIGION IS VIOLENCE!".

Islam is no more violent inherently than any other religion. To paraphrase Reza Aslan, who recently said something I have said on here for years... you could look at Buddhists in Myanmar that are murdering and raping Muslims and say that Buddhism is therefor a violent religion. It would be stupid and wrong, but you could do it.

What you are doing is taking the very worst extremists from a group of 1.6 billion people and saying, "Okay, well... this 1.59999 billion people are CLEARLY just practicing their Islam wrong because Islam is evil because .00001% of Muslims are doing violent acts (not even in the name of Islam but political reasons!". You might as well say, "Black culture makes them all criminals, because a percentage of them are, and the blacks that aren't criminals are "fake" blacks!" or that socialists today aren't "true socialists" because they don't hold the radical ideals of states like the Soviet Union.

[Munch]

Shiranu, seriously, what the fuck was that?

An extremist group called the Islamism state, making themselves known as representing themselves as followers of Islam end up killing another international victim in there barbaric act of terrorism, so I make a satirical comparison to those claiming to be Islamic while murdering innocent people, and you go off on a tangent?

I know full well the faults on western cultures interfering with those countries. But I think most people know the claim anyone makes about Islam being a religion of peace is all Bullshit, since even the most 'relaxed' Islamic follower will do some questionable shit to there own.

Also do you know there are many examples of Isis and Islamic terrorists who came to the UK to get and education, just to travel back to there country and follow the pursuits of extremism with western cultural knowledge?

Do go pardoning these extremists, and yes, Islam breeds these kind of bastards the same as Christianity breeds people like Fred Phelps.

[Shiranu]

...since even the most 'relaxed' Islamic follower will do some questionable shit to there own.

A. Nice bigotry.

B. So will the most "relaxed" black people, the most "relaxed" communists, the most "relaxed" Buddhists, the most "relaxed" Brits, the most "relaxed" ... etc. etc. . Yet we only start stereotyping groups when the people in charge want to make an "us vs them" situation.

Islam is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it. Christanity is no more peaceful or violent than the person practicing it. Buddhism is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it. Communism is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it.

Ideologies may promote violence, but nearly every single form of violence in Islam that you can point to is rooted in far too many causes to just say, "Nope, nope it's all Islam's fault! Even moderate Muslims are violent people!".

Do go pardoning these extremists, and yes, Islam breeds these kind of bastards the same as Christianity breeds people like Fred Phelps.

And ontop of bigotry you add illiteracy. Please, do tell where I pardoned the extremists. Don't worry, I have nothing better to fucking do, I'll wait for you to find some combination of letters in my post that, if you go back two letters then translate them to chinese, then french, then polish you get something that might resemble pardoning them.

[Munch]

You do understand there is a difference between the practices of a religion in people's mind and that of a person's skin colour and genetic makeup right? I despise religion and the practices people follow under it, not the people themselves who are just fucking lost to it.

Religious fundamentalism leads to so much violence within Islamic countries that it can't be denied one of the major problems in those regions.

And don't you dare fucking accuse me of bigotry, I've given my share of charity to help aid groups support in those war torn regions, just to learn it never does shit to help there, because the organisations going there don't live long enough to help anyone.

I don't know what your problem is, maybe you are Islamic yourself and take offense to insults thrown at its belief, despite it causing more problems in the world the pros, but calling people bigots for highlighting fallacies in a religion claiming to be peaceful when it clearly isn't really is on your head, not mine.
And I've not implied an 'us vs them' standard, you made that comparison yourself.

If you dislike me calling out Islam's Bullshit on a subsection based on Islam, and pointing it out when an Islamic terrorist group does this in the name of Islam, and you still try to accuse people of being bigoted towards such practices, I've got little else to discuss with you.

[Mike Cl]

B. So will the most "relaxed" black people, the most "relaxed" communists, the most "relaxed" Buddhists, the most "relaxed" Brits, the most "relaxed" ... etc. etc. . Yet we only start stereotyping groups when the people in charge want to make an "us vs them" situation.

Islam is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it. Christanity is no more peaceful or violent than the person practicing it. Buddhism is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it. Communism is no more peaceful or violent than the person who practices it.

Ideologies may promote violence, but nearly every single form of violence in Islam that you can point to is rooted in far too many causes to just say, "Nope, nope it's all Islam's fault! Even moderate Muslims are violent people!".

A couple of comments--
Us vs Them--All religions are excellent at this.  That is the major point for them all--our religion is the best, no, not the best, the only, way of looking at the world.  It is inherently 'us vs them'. 

Ideology--Most religions go beyond an ideology--they go into your thoughts and are inherently totalitarian in nature.  They control the entire person much more deeply than a political ideology.  Not even  Stalinism   or Nazism controled the person as much as the christian or islam religion strives to.  Any religion with a rigid or strong hierarchy produces violence.  Islam is no exception. 

If, as you claim, islam is all about peace, how does Isis get away with all of it's violence?  If they are such a tiny part of islam, where is the huge majority of the people of islam holding them in check?  If they do not have the support of the muslims, then who supports them?  I may be mistaken, but I view the Isis 'problem' as being part of a religious civil war.  It really is all about islam vs islam.  The US as the "Great Satan" is used as a tool to strengthen one side vs the other. 

My thought is that the world would have been better of in all ways without the disease of religion.  If I were God for a moment, I would wipe out all religions and not allow any to form.  That would not produce utopia, but it would make for a more peaceful world.

[Munch]

My thought is that the world would have been better of in all ways without the disease of religion.  If I were God for a moment, I would wipe out all religions and not allow any to form.  That would not produce utopia, but it would make for a more peaceful world.

It would also show the true colors of peoples insanity without a man made construct to hide behind as its reason for these acts.

[pr126]

Shiranu wrote:

What you are doing is taking the very worst extremists from a group of 1.6 billion people and saying, "Okay, well... this 1.59999 billion people are CLEARLY just practicing their Islam wrong because Islam is evil because .00001% of Muslims are doing violent acts (not even in the name of Islam but political reasons!".

How many of those 1.5999 billion "peaceful and moderate" Muslims actually protest or demonstrate against those violent .00001% Muslims who misinterpret or distort Islam so badly that they go to war wholesale all over the planet?!

Where are the Muslim clerics condemning those in ISIS insisting  that this is not Islam what they are doing, but something unislamic? Don't forget, according to you there are 1.59999% of Muslims who know and practice  the "real Islam".

Now let's examine your math for a moment.
Those violent .00001% Muslims need money, weapons, logistics, food, support and everything an army needs to sustain itself and be functional. Where does it all come from?

Behind every "soldier of Allah" there needs to be a large number of supporters. Where is the money coming for a start? Or the weapons?

Where is the idea of the beheading comes from? Quran 8:12, or 47:4 ring a bell?
Go on, crack open a Quran. Read, learn. Educate yourself.

By the way, ISIS/IS/ISIL and the hundreds of other terrorist organizations all around the globe are saying that they are doing it for Islam.

Are you  saying  this is for political reasons? Islam is a political ideology with a thin veneer of religiosity.

[stromboli]

Welcome back, PR. I've missed your voice on here. And you are absolutely right. It takes millions to feed an army and the money comes from our pockets by way of oil money.

[pr126]

One more thing I must point out,  that the "extremist" are following Muhammads example, and adhere to the Quran to the leetter.  That is real Islam, undiluted.

[josephpalazzo]

I think we should stop saying that "religion kills". It's people who kill people. And many of those "people who kill people" do it in the name of an ideology - religion, any religion, can be an ideology, but so is communism or facism... etc. In this age, the Islamic countries are backward, and I don't mean this in a derogatory sense - some of them are, to use PC term, "developing countries" though Saudi Arabia is definitely not developing. So by "backward" I mean poor and underdeveloped, and not necessarily on the path to upgrade and improve the standard living of their population. And many of those Islamic countries have grievances, particularly after colonization from the European countries, they bear some bitterness towards the Western countries. So backwardness + bitterness has  led to a redressing that has easily slided into violence, which is unfortunate as this will only prolong the agony of these people.

So what are the Western countries to do? Since they were part of the problem, the responsibility falls on their shoulders to solve it. Getting rid of the cancer - exterminating the extremists - is one of them. Rebuilding their economy is a second one. And in all of this, there is a need to respect their culture, regardless that certain of their values are not to our taste. It's not an easy task. But in the end, we're all in the same boat, and we need to get along... somehow.

[Munch]

One more thing I must point out,  that the "extremist" are following Muhammads example, and adhere to the Quran to the leetter.  That is real Islam, undiluted.

Better throw in a couple of 7-9 year olds then, they will want wives.

[Solitary]

What the terrorist are doing is a direct consequence of the Qur'an:

     A. Jihad Verse Selection Criteria

      Each of the 164 Jihad verses in this list was selected based on how clearly and directly it spoke about Jihad, at least when considered in its immediate context. Most of the listed passages mention a military expedition, fighting, or distributing war spoils. Verses NOT generally listed are those that speak about aspects of Jihad other than the raiding, fighting and looting, such as:

    Muhammad's poor opinion of those who did not go on Jihad, even though they were able-bodied and able financially (for instance, some verses in K 009:081-096),
    The heavenly rewards for Jihadists, and
    The many generic mentions of "victory" found in the Koran.

Such omitted verses can readily be found in proximity to the Jihad verses listed below.

     B. Related Issues

For the terrorist saying it is someone else s fault for what they do is as irresponsible as it gets. But the Koran is what they base their actions on, and justifies it, just like Scriptures do for Christians. It is true that not all Muslims or Christians are extremists, or terrorists, but their religious beliefs based on Scripture and the Qur'an justify what they are doing. Solitary 
   

[StupidWiz]

Welcome back pr, been missing ya. :D

I don't even have the energy anymore to condemn these IS people, it's what it is. There's still a lot of people who'll say that it's not Islam's fault, that they are the bad apples, etc, bla2. So, tired of hearing this excuse over and over again, I'll just let them think what they want to think about IS. How many people will get beheaded again by them? hundreds, or thousands? They will not stop until Islam is the only religion on earth.

Btw, tomorrow we're celebrating Idul Adha, yay for beheading animals in public, maybe this celebration will inspire Muslim children to behead Kafir like what ISIS has been showing them. :D

[Green Bottle]

I think this was inevitable, these murdering bastards dont care about world opinion, dont care about families on tv pleading for the lives of their loved ones, all they care about is promoting their sick agenda.

I could be wrong but have isis ever released a western hostage, i dont think so.

Fucking cowards every one of them, they are so brave they hide their faces behind stupid masks.
We need more muslim leaders worldwide to come out and condemn them, we've had some but not enough and those who dont will be seen to condone it, and that will just cause more trouble than we have already.