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SGOS

#1095
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 09, 2021, 03:57:32 PM
The support class is the unsung hero of RPGs and superhero movies.
Exactly, and I became aware of his role in the Avenger series where he supported more than he destroyed. He doesn't have those powerful bursts of energy that overcome the villains with finality.  Even in his origin movie, he could not kill Dormammu.  All he could do was outfox him by risking his own future.  Although, I suspect it wasn't really a risk (being caught in an eternal time loop), because he could also see the future and knew it wasn't going to happen.  But in the end, he saved the universe.  And Dormanmmu killed off his own minions, not Dr. Strange or his supporting team. Most of his enemies throughout the Marvel Universe were just rendered harmless through trickery and died at the hands of those who get most of the credit.


drunkenshoe

Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams. Yes. Pretty good.

I'm also on my 3rd attempt to watch Battlestar Galactica series. It feels like going to be another failure, but trying so far. I'm genuinely curious why so many people like this show. It's more like a teenage angst-sexual frustration telenovela than a human species survival sci-fi series. It's nauseating.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

drunkenshoe

#1097
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 09, 2021, 09:08:17 AM
Teenage Bounty Hunters. The name is not chosen good though I think. It's a comedy and surprisingly entertaining. Satiric... Southern US. Rich, religious community. It's telling the story of twin sisters and the community they live in. They meet someone from real life...

Apparently, this show was canceled. Yeah because we need more of the same... teenage soft porn, 'I'm special', everything is mine, I'm gonna get you all stuff...

Please cancel everything that's a bit different, a bit provocatice, Netflix. Actually make all the shows into one.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

SGOS

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 11, 2021, 02:53:45 AM
Philip K. Dick's Electric Dreams. Yes. Pretty good.
Philip K. Dick?
Electric Dreams?
From 2017?

I can't believe I missed this.  Oh wait, I don't have TV.  After Blade Runner, Paycheck, Scanner Darkly, The Adjustment Bureau, I'll have to see if I can find it on some streaming service, or just buy the disks.  Google:  "Philip K. Dick Books" and see how prolific this guy is.

drunkenshoe

#1099
Quote from: SGOS on March 11, 2021, 04:44:53 AM
Philip K. Dick?
Electric Dreams?
From 2017?

I can't believe I missed this.  Oh wait, I don't have TV.  After Blade Runner, Paycheck, Scanner Darkly, The Adjustment Bureau, I'll have to see if I can find it on some streaming service, or just buy the disks.  Google:  "Philip K. Dick Books" and see how prolific this guy is.

Yep. It's on in Amazon here. I don't know if we have the same 'menus'.

E:Philip K. Dick is one of the most important few sci-fi writers influenced...pretty much everything, I think. He was mentally far gone in that direction and thought we were living in some matrix, but considering he is the original creator, the father of the idea of the matrix in that context...that makes sense. He is forgiven. :lol:


"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Hydra009

#1100
Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 11, 2021, 02:53:45 AMI'm also on my 3rd attempt to watch Battlestar Galactica series. It feels like going to be another failure, but trying so far. I'm genuinely curious why so many people like this show. It's more like a teenage angst-sexual frustration telenovela than a human species survival sci-fi series. It's nauseating.


Deep breaths.  One dradis contact, two dradis contacts, three dradis contacts...

1)  A real dearth of scifi on TV at the time.  In 2004, Star Trek was a shell of its former self with the sub-par Enterprise, Star Wars was reviled at the time, Firefly was over shortly after it started - only the relatively niche Stargate franchise was still going strong, so BSG had very little competition.

2)  Low expectations.  No one expected a remake of a campy, mediocre show to be good.  So when the initial miniseries came out - scifi miniseries back then were not typically well-made - it came a huge a surprise and made quite an impact.

3) Big-budget production.  The show had great set design (everything from the A-shaped hallways to the viper bay to the bridge, even the weird cornerness sheets of paper looked good and helped immersion).  The actors were amazing.  All of the core cast were very magnetic and their characters felt like real people.  And the music.  Gods, the music was something else.  Ronald Moore is a literal saint.  10/10 on presentation.

4) It pioneered what are now staples of the genre - breathtaking space battles with a martial drumbeat, space "jumps" (unlike Star Wars, ships move from one location to another abruptly; no time spent in hyperspace), fuzzy radar, shakycam (often used poorly by succeeding shows, resulting in a backlash against this style of cinematography), etc.  Arguably, it cemented interpersonal drama as a huge part of scifi shows from then on out.

I can't stress enough how influential this stuff was - BSG-style space battles and jumps are so ubiquitous now that you're more likely to see them than not in any scifi show that doesn't predate BSG.  Even the minced profanity of frak was everywhere at the time (though arguably, Farscape got the ball rolling, BSG cemented it).

BSG was so popular and influential that Stargate Atlantis was abruptly cancelled because of it and replaced with a BSG-imitator Stargate Universe, which tanked for numerous reasons and arguably brought the entire Stargate franchise down with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqV2Ncxe8Ak

I mean, tell me that isn't exciting?!

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Does it have flaws?  Absolutely.  It can have a little too much drama for its own good, if that makes sense.  And yes, some characters act somewhat childishly and impulsively, though I dunno, that sort of makes sense for younger characters. 

Personally, I think some characters motivations - especially Baltar and Six - followed some very strange logic.

The writing, while solid the majority of the time, increasingly showed cracks and eventually had a Game of Thrones-like breakdown.  Arguably, BSG was the Game of Thrones of the 2000s, and suffered a very similar decline in quality and abrupt decline in popularity.  At least BSG managed to have a good series finale and decent spinoff.

SGOS

I don't know if BSG was good or not.  I remember trying, but I just couldn't get interested in it, and after a few tries, I just gave up on it.

SGOS

I also had difficulty seeing Lorne Greene a former ranch owner and a "gotta get this herd down to Abilene" saddle jockey in outer space.

drunkenshoe

#1103
Quote from: Hydra009 on March 11, 2021, 01:41:23 PM

Yeah, that's^ pretty much it. You've summed the show -esp. the acting- very well. Adult characters presented with teenage angst, reactions and sexual frustration does not make 'cemented interpersonal drama', it makes a bunch of misplaced braty characters, tethered to strings in a narrow sense of time and place with forced sense of personalities and drama. It's a bad show because it is badly written. It's lazy. It's stuffed, dumped on...Acting is bad... Gawd, the scientist and the blonde cylon... :rotflmao: What an awful execution of an idea and so what an obvious play on young males. And the acting...oof On the same context of playing to boys, Starbuck... They could have done all that much better. But I think they knew exactly what they were doing.

You don't need to stress it, breathtaking space battles and space jumps don't make sci-fi... Star Wars is not a bar... Game of Throne is not a bar. They are more hype than anything else. But then space battle scenes are really not something hanging on one piece of work because it doesn't reuqire an invention of some specific technology in the field. (Like matrix for example.) This doesn't make it a good sci-fi either...it makes it a good action. I think, I tried to make this point with some other movies before.

The sci-fi element in the battlestar galactica is cylons. And the theme is human survival. Not space jumps/battles, ships in imagined physics. Same with the star wars. Lucas inventing tons of ships, their parts, their developments, everything and all other space junk is not making sci-fi. It's Lego collection. It's awesome in that sense. But that's all.

Based on the rest...you are acrtually just saying 'they played clever and got lucky too'. And that makes sense actually.   

But instead of saying 'I was a kid when I saw it, and I loved it very much' which is perfectly fine we all have those, you are getting triggered and pushing this as something important, a good work in a forced way. It's off putting. It has some flaws? No shit... Is there some sort of work that doesn't have any flaws? It might be surprising for you, but tons of people do not care about imbd, rotten tomatoes, fandomships, social media groups and their accepted views do not affect their taste/understanding of the genre... It certainly doesn't affect mine. 

"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Hydra009

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 11, 2021, 03:13:04 PMYou don't need to stress it, breathtaking space battles and space jumps don't make sci-fi... Star Wars is not a bar... Game of Throne is not a bar. They are more hype than anything else.
LOL WAT

QuoteBased on the rest...you are acrtually just saying 'they played clever and got lucky too'. And that makes sense actually.
I actually went into much greater detail than that.  But if you really have to sum it up in a few words: right place, right time, something different.

QuoteBut instead of saying 'I was a kid when I saw it, and I loved it very much' which is perfectly fine we all have those, you are getting triggered and pushing this as something important, a good work in a forced way.
WTF?  This is why I (and probably others) try not to engage.  You're not really asking people why they like the show.  You're asking for someone to argue with you and "winning" that argument with some very bizarre assertions and reasoning that don't really make much sense and seemingly are purely meant to be inflammatory to illicit an argumentative response which you can then argue with some more.  It's kinda sad.

drunkenshoe

Quote from: Hydra009 on March 11, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
...You're not really asking people why they like the show.  You're asking for someone to argue with you and "winning" that argument with some very bizarre assertions and reasoning that don't really make much sense and seemingly are purely meant to be inflammatory to illicit an argumentative response which you can then argue with some more.  It's kinda sad.

You got triggered about someone not liking a tv show and tried to educate her about why she is wrong (?) although she has clearly expressed she doesn't like it from the beginning in a thread, where we write about what we think about tv shows, and she is the inflammatory, argumentative one to write to argue some more. Are you thick?

And I pointed out that it is something you have seen when you were a kid because it is something you have seen as a kid. And we feel strongly and different about the stuff we enjoy as kids. Grow up. It's a legitimate point. Who the fuck gets triggered by that and write something like this:

QuoteThis is why I (and probably others) try not to engage.

Go fuck yourself, you pretentious piece of shit.
"science is not about building a body of known 'facts'. ıt is a method for asking awkward questions and subjecting them to a reality-check, thus avoiding the human tendency to believe whatever makes us feel good." - tp

Hydra009

Quote from: drunkenshoe on March 11, 2021, 04:19:56 PMGo fuck yourself, you pretentious piece of shit.
lol, I take it the bizarre "triggered" accusation is just projection.  You should take your own advice and grow up.

trdsf

I think I'm due for a binge on Babylon 5.  Haven't watched it in ages.  Time to see if it's aged well.
"My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total, and I am not going to sit here and be an idle spectator to the diminution, the subversion, the destruction of the Constitution." -- Barbara Jordan

Mr.Obvious

Kind of want to see Stargate again, what with all the talk here and some mêmes I see popping up.
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Hydra009

#1109
Quote from: trdsf on March 12, 2021, 05:30:53 AMI think I'm due for a binge on Babylon 5.  Haven't watched it in ages.  Time to see if it's aged well.
I've seen it fairly recently, the season 4 arc seemed particularly relevant about 4 months ago.  And season 5 is growing on me.  Although it's still kinda blurry, it has held up remarkably well.  And there's supposedly a remaster available now, which should help correct that.