Malaysia Airliner Crashes In Ukraine

[Shiranu]

From the BBC...

A Malaysian airliner carrying 295 people has crashed in east Ukraine on a flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, amid allegations it was shot down.

Bodies are scattered around what is believed to be the wreckage of the jet near the village of Grabovo, which is under the control of separatist rebels.

Flight MH17 had been due to enter Russian airspace when contact was lost.

Ukraine's president called the loss of the plane an "act of terrorism" as the rebels denied shooting it down.

The separatists are believed to have shot down two Ukrainian military planes over the region in recent days.

There is no official closure of Ukraine airspace but Germany's Lufthansa, Air France and Turkish Airlines are all now avoiding eastern Ukraine.

I don't know which way to think; on one hand it is REALLY fishy that it went down in the middle of a war torn country; on the other... it is a Malaysian Airliner... also, just last night a Ukrainian military jet was shot down in Eastern Ukraine as had one earlier this week. Perhaps a case of mistaken identity and the MA plane being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Really getting sick of how the American media is obsessing over the fact that there were bodies and body parts stewn all over the place though... there is no need for that shock-gore porn. We get it, an airline crashed (and possibly exploded)... that is what happens, move on and don't exploit those people's suffering for your own ratings.

[Nam]

I only watch Rachel Maddow.

-Nam

[Poison Tree]

The BBC is American media?

[Nam]

The BBC is American media?

BBC America -- duh.



-Nam

[AllPurposeAtheist]

One thing that never changes with the news media, if it bleeds it leads..
You might be a bit repulsed by that, but it's a time tested formula.
I have no idea who shot it down because I really don't buy into the one sided western media coverage that seemingly automatically takes sides and the Ukrainian government has a strong neo Nazi element to it and a robust propaganda arm backed by the west..

[The Skeletal Atheist]

I feel sad for the people involved, but you shouldn't fly a commercial plane over an active war zone. You shouldn't fly any plane over a war zone unless you have business being there. If this plane avoided that area this wouldn't have happened. Right now both sides are pointing fingers, tough there does seem to some be evidence that the separatists or Russians shot it down, but I'm going to hold my tongue and my opinion until more info comes out.

[Shiranu]

The BBC is American media?

Was talking about CNN and huffington post coverage I have seen.

[Nam]

I feel sad for the people involved, but you shouldn't fly a commercial plane over an active war zone. You shouldn't fly any plane over a war zone unless you have business being there. If this plane avoided that area this wouldn't have happened. Right now both sides are pointing fingers, tough there does seem to some be evidence that the separatists or Russians shot it down, but I'm going to hold my tongue and my opinion until more info comes out.

If the Russians did it, that's going to be a huge blow to Putin.

-Nam

[The Skeletal Atheist]

If the Russians did it, that's going to be a huge blow to Putin.

-Nam

It's going to be a huge blow to whoever did it. US media is siding with Ukraine on this, of course, but at the moment anyone who tries to say they know who did it and wasn't there is a fucking liar. I'll wait until the hype clears before I make my judgement.

[Solitary]

Is this what happened to the commercial jet over the ocean they still haven't found"

[Jutter]

Is this what happened to the commercial jet over the ocean they still haven't found"

No, but russian propeganda is actually spinning a bullshit story where this is supposedly the long-missing airliner filled with already dead people, downed by Ukrania on purpose to make Russia look bad; disgusting.

To all appearances this is a horrible fuckup, not unlike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 when an american vessel downed an airliner under the false assumption it was an enemy F14. It's debatable how well the US govt dealt with the aftermath of that sad event, but how Moscow and the russian seperatists are handling things right now is undeniably appalling, and outright suspicious.

In before anyone suggests going over there and TCB... there are too damn many domino-stones standing upright worldwide... Central Africa, ISIS, Gaza, China's alledged territorial borders, N Korea, etc... please don't root for this becoming the one to topple and start a chainreaction. European countries have been cutting down on their defense budget for decades.

[Hydra009]

The local paper had a write-up about it yesterday.  Apparently, Putin says that Ukraine's government's inability to keep the peace is what caused the plane to go down.  Also, Russia has nothing to do with the separatists.  Sounds legit.

[Johan]

Really getting sick of how the American media is obsessing over the fact that there were bodies and body parts stewn all over the place though... there is no need for that shock-gore porn.

The american news media are in the business of making money. They do that by any means necessary the least of which is reporting actual news in a non-bias way.

[GSOgymrat]

No, but russian propeganda is actually spinning a bullshit story where this is supposedly the long-missing airliner filled with already dead people, downed by Ukrania on purpose to make Russia look bad; disgusting.

I just saw that ruse on an episode of Sherlock. Russia needs to hire better writers.

[Green Bottle]

Ok first off i dont see how a civilian airliner can be mistaken for a military plane thats just bullshite, and on the itv news this evening they said that the russian seperatists are saying that they '' may have shot it down'', wtf, if you ask me the russians know more about this than they are admitting to.
The fact is, a plane load of innocent people are now dead.