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Thunderf00t VS Creationist

Started by Hydra009, June 14, 2014, 12:53:42 PM

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Super long debate, but here's the gist of it:  creationist believes in microevolution (slight phenotype changes, like floppy ears) but doesn't believe in macroevolution (dog morphing into some other species, which obviously is exactly how evolution works).  So, natural selection in, speciation out.  But here's the golden part:  he defines things in terms of "kinds", not species, apparently without a working definition of kind.  Does it seem like a dog?  Well, by golly, it's a dog.  Hyena?  That's a dog.  Because.

Also, inference = faith @16 min.  lulz.

Watch a few minutes of this.  It's pure stupidity.


Sadly, Thunderf00t didn't respond to Gman's repeated question about at what point a dog's descendants are no longer dogs. To bad AronRa wasn't there, because AronRa would have set him straight.

As AronRa would have said: they'll always be dogs. A dog will never be an ancestor to a non-dog.

In the same way, all humans are apes, and the offspring of all apes will always be apes. All apes are monkeys, and the offspring of all monkeys will always be monkeys. All monkeys are primates, and the offspring of all primates will always be primates. Etc. etc.

It's a nested hierarchy, like a tree. A branch may fork, but everything stemming off the fork belongs to the fork and the branch, but not to the other fork.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." - Seneca


I agree.  In retrospect, it's not a good idea to do this stuff off the cuff (and possibly inebriated) and in real time.  Lots of missed opportunities that would have otherwise been capitalized on.  Forum debates ftw.

But the guy was a couple marbles short of a full house and definitely wouldn't have followed that logic (or attacked it, cause you know, no non-ape could give birth to an ape or somesuch).  He had a hard enough time with plastic as an adjective and you could tell from his piss poor summations that large sections of Thunderfoot's reasoning were lost to him.  And this is really watered down stuff.

Plus, I think talking with this creationist counts as a wisdom-draining attack.  Thunderfoot had to reboot a couple times.  After hearing fish floated around as a possible common ancestor for all life on Earth, I don't blame him.