Morality

[Contemporary Protestant]

I was trying to keep things simple, but fine

Look up the confessing church

Nazis were not killing in the name of God, they killed in the name of eugenics
Nazis worshiped a nazi form of Christianity, positive christianity, it was only a tool to control the masses

Lying for personal gain is wrong

[Sargon The Grape]

Morality comes from the nature of existence. We are fundamentally one being, consciousness itself, and morality comes from a deep subconscious and unconscious (but sometimes conscious) recognition of this brute fact of existence.

Being a good person is ultimately to follow The Golden Rule, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. This becomes apparent when you realize that the others are literally you. What you do to others, you are doing to another yourself.

All of morality comes from the simple principle, "We Are All One."

*Citation Needed

[Sargon The Grape]

Nazis were not killing in the name of God, they killed in the name of eugenics
Nazis worshiped a nazi form of Christianity, positive christianity, it was only a tool to control the masses

No true Scottsman would ever [yadda yadda yadda]...

[Bibliofagus]

Nazis were not killing in the name of God, they killed in the name of eugenics

The nazi's operated in a country with a very big christian majority. A christian majority that did next to nothing to oppose the nazi's, and often worked with them in the destruction of jews. The trains taking jews to Auswich were operated by normal germans.

To understand their behaviour a bit better, lets have a look a the roots of western antisemitism:

Traditional antisemitism is based on religious discrimination against Jews by Christians. Christian doctrine was ingrained with the idea that Jews were responsible for the death of Jesus, and thus deserved to be punished (this is known as the Deicide, or Killing of God, Myth). Another concept that
provoked hatred of Jews amongst Christians was the Supercession Myth, claiming that Christianity had replaced Judaism, due to the Jewish People’s failure in their role as the Chosen People of Godâ€"and thus deserving punishment, specifically by the Christian world.

http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%205742.pdf

And:

In Germany, this type of thinking found expression in a political, nationalist movement called the Voelkisch movement. This group's representatives opposed the industrialization and secularism which accompanied modernization, as they believed these concepts would destroy traditional German culture. Voelkisch blamed the Jews for undermining the Germans' traditional way of life, and stated that German Jews were not really part of the German people.

Same source.

Also:

After World War II, when the West realized what had happened in Europe, antisemitism was greatly weakened. Many churches admitted their huge mistake in cultivating traditional Christian antisemitism.

Same source.

The concept of deicide was partly repudiated by the catholic church in 1965. Yup. You read that right. 1965.

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_deicide

And it's still around even today:

Mel Gibson's film The Passion incorporates the Gospels and extra-biblical material  in its graphical portrayal of Jesus' execution. In 2003-SEP, five months before the movies first public showing, Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles CA said that his organization has already received considerable hate mail from people who have seen or heard about the movie, and are accusing modern-day Jews of blame in Jesus' death. Rabbi Hier told Reuters: “Are there any manifestations of hate so far? The answer is an unequivocal yes. We have had hate mail in the past. But never in spurts like this.”

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_jesu1.htm

A christian source for good measure:

“Anti-Semitism,” writes Episcopal Bishop John Shelby Spong, “is a terrifying prejudice that is rooted so deeply in the church’s life that it has distorted our entire message.”

http://theholocaustandchurch.com/christianitys-original-sin-anti-judaism/

And I could go on

Nazis worshiped a nazi form of Christianity, positive christianity, it was only a tool to control the masses

No true scotsman fallacy. Germany was populated by christians when they committed their mass murder.

[Casparov]

I'm a masochist. Does this mean I get to hurt people who aren't?

No. The golden rule should be followed as such: "Do unto others as you would have them to unto you if you were literally them." So you can extrapolate: "If I was that non-masochist, I would not want to be hurt." so even if you are a masochist, you should not hurt others who aren't according to the golden rule.

However, following this standard of The Golden Rule, all of us do get to hurt you since you are a masochist! Hope you enjoy the pain!!

[Contemporary Protestant]

Look up the confessing church, and Bonhoeffer

To say the church didn't resist is incorrect

(Edit) I think it's illogical for you to associate Christians with nazis, I don't associate y'all with Stalin

[Bibliofagus]

Look up the confessing church

Okay. On protestants in general:

Many Protestants voted for the Nazis in the elections of summer and fall 1932 and March 1933.

The [Protestant] churches did not reject National Socialism on principle. The idea of a strong authority and a close bond between throne and altar, of the kind that existed in the empire between 1871 and 1918, was in keeping with Protestant tradition. Many ... [Protestants] had reservations about the democratic Weimar Republic and sympathized with political forces â€" such as the German National People's Party[11] â€" that idealized the past.[12]

A limited number of Protestants, such as Karl Barth, Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Wilhelm Busch,[13][14] objected to the Nazis on moral and theological principles

The German Christians were sympathetic to the Nazi regime's goal of "co-ordinating" the individual Protestant churches into a single and uniform Reich church, consistent with the Volk ethos and the Führerprinzip.

On the confessing church:

However, the Barmen Declaration itself did not mention the Nazi persecution of Jews or other totalitarian measures taken by the Nazis; it was a declaration of ecclesiastical independence, consistent with centuries of Protestant doctrine. It was not a statement of rebellion against the regime or its political and social doctrines and actions.

We totally deferred our political opposition to Nazism and tried to bring the church opposition to its feet....We did it from a tactical standpoint....We hoped to bring [our brethren] to recognize the contradictions of being a Christian and a Nazi.... so we deferred our political polemic against the Nazi state.[33]

The Confessing Church engaged in only one form of unified resistance: resistance to state manipulation of religious affairs. While many leaders of the Confessing Church attempted to persuade the church to take a radical stance in opposition to Hitler, the church never adopted this policy.

A select few of the Confessing Church risked their lives to help Jews hiding illegally in Berlin during the war.

source of all these quotes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessing_Church

[Hydra009]

Mermaid - I think everyone inherently knows right from wrong

Generations of slavers would seem to hint otherwise.

Slavers had no qualms about taking slaves and did not often regard what they were doing as immoral.  in fact, your Bible was fairly uncritical of the institution (and even used as justification for it), which seems odd coming from an omniscient God who would've known that slavery would've been abolished and universally reviled in the far future, but makes a lot of sense coming from middle easterners long accustomed to the practice who had no idea that its days were numbered.

[Bibliofagus]

No. The golden rule should be followed as such: "Do unto others as you would have them to unto you if you were literally them." So you can extrapolate: "If I was that non-masochist, I would not want to be hurt." so even if you are a masochist, you should not hurt others who aren't according to the golden rule.

However, following this standard of The Golden Rule, all of us do get to hurt you since you are a masochist! Hope you enjoy the pain!!

Lol

[Bibliofagus]

(Edit) I think it's illogical for you to associate Christians with nazis, I don't associate y'all with Stalin

I'm adressing the immorality of christianity, as it is an important source of the anti semitism that led to the holocaust. There are no such association in my posts, and if there are, I apologize.

[Drummer Guy]

I think everyone inherently knows right from wrong

False.  Some people are born without empathy.  We call the sociopaths.

[Contemporary Protestant]

Sociopaths still know right from wrong, they choose to ignore social norms and lack emotion

Sociopath is no longer used as a clinical term

Antisemitism already existed before Christianity and many Christians are not and were not Antisemitic   

[Contemporary Protestant]

What am I not addressing

[Bibliofagus]

What am I not addressing

I was responding to your post about atheist marxists and christian abolitionists, which you removed while I was typing.

When I noticed I removed my response, just as you were typing this.

Its a mess :D

[Contemporary Protestant]

I removed it because it was irrelevant, you addressed the issue and I thought that I should remove that post since the issue was addressed

Sorry