I Believe God Exists

[Casparov]

It is, however, long since confirmed that consciousness arises from material.

Oh really?!? Is that so!? This is amazing news indeed! "confirmed" you say! "long since" you say! Well, please kind sir, I await with bated breath, please do point me in the direction of this amazing "confirmation" to which I am sadly ignorant!

You see, all this time I have thought that The Hard Problem of Consciousness remained unsolved to this day, but alas! You say it has been solved, "long since" you say! "confirmed" you say! please enlighten me to this amazing discovery, for my entire worldview must now be entirely reconstructed. Now that it has been confirmed that The Hard Problem of Consciousness is resolved and consciousness conclusively arises from material I have no foot left to stand on, I must now convert to Materialism as I have no other choice in light of this evidence!

Please kind sir, point me in the direction of this "confirmation" of which you speak!

[Sargon The Grape]

Oh really?!? Is that so!? This is amazing news indeed! "confirmed" you say! "long since" you say! Well, please kind sir, I await with bated breath, please do point me in the direction of this amazing "confirmation" to which I am sadly ignorant!

You see, all this time I have thought that The Hard Problem of Consciousness remained unsolved to this day, but alas! You say it has been solved, "long since" you say! "confirmed" you say! please enlighten me to this amazing discovery, for my entire worldview must now be entirely reconstructed. Now that it has been confirmed that The Hard Problem of Consciousness is resolved and consciousness conclusively arises from material I have no foot left to stand on, I must now convert to Materialism as I have no other choice in light of this evidence!

Please kind sir, point me in the direction of this "confirmation" of which you speak!

Save the snark for when you've read the full post, because I already listed a place where you can observe the process.

[Casparov]

Evidence please, of the immaterial universe. And don't try the quantum theory route, because we've already pointed out the definition of the word theory.

"evidence please, oh but not that evidence, that evidence doesn't count."

http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.2529
http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.6578

You have set aside materialism as unjustified by ignoring every piece of evidence that proves it. Mind cannot exist without matter- period, end of story. Matter is material. You cannot assume the mind as separate from the brain.

Wow those are some bold assertions there my friend! and you even said "period, end of story" jeez I can't ague with that... of course there's The Hard Problem of Consciousness, since you've solved it once and for all why don't you go let the rest of the scientific community know so you can claim your well deserved Nobel Prize for solving one of the greatest and longest standing problems that has ever plagued scientific inquiry?

Now what was your evidence again? Oh that's right, Naive Realism.... yeah I reject that based on actual evidence... sorry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naïve_realism

[Sargon The Grape]

The Hard Problem of Consciousness

Has fuck all to do with this argument. "Consciousness" and its ability to think, feel, and do anything is tied to the development of the brain. If the brain is not physically capable of doing something, lo and behold, it never manifests in one's consciousness until, miraculously, the brain becomes mature enough to acquire the process. This fact is consistent with the theory that consciousness arises from material, and utterly inconsistent with the theory that material arises from consciousness.

Any further questions?

[Casparov]

Any further questions?

Yes.

1) How do you reconcile your belief in Materialism with The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment?

2) While you are unable to doubt that you are conscious, you are able to doubt that material exists independent of your observation. Do you base your belief in Materialism on any empirical evidence or is this just an assumption you make based on Naive Realism?

3) Do you know what Naive Realism is?

4) Do you know what The Hard Problem of Consciousness is?

5) Have you ever seen consciousness? If not, how do you know it exists?

6) Why is believing in Materialism so important to you?

[pioteir]

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It has been conclusively shown that matter ceases to exist in the absence of observation, ...

You want to tell me all the matter in the universe is there BECAUSE we are observing it? All the galaxies we discovered weren't there before we saw them? Earth didn't exist before there were humans to observe it? Does Mars cease to exist when I'm not looking?

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"Matter can clearly exist without a mind." this is a bald assertion in direct conflict with scientific evidence. "clearly" implies that it has been observed, but to observe postulates a mind to do the observing. NO matter has ever been observed existing, unless it was observed by a conscious mind.

The only mind you have ever "observed" as existing is your own. You have never "seen" or "observed" anyone else's mind, therefore all you know of mind is your own direct experience of it. Now ask the question: Have you ever experienced matter existing in the absence of a mind?

Tell me: Do animals have consciousness? Do they observe the world?
Because believe me, when I die and my "mind" will be gone, worms WILL find my material body and feast on it. If You tell me animals have consciousness then provide evidence for it. If not... well it's obvious what I'm getting at.

[Shiranu]

It has been conclusively shown that matter ceases to exist in the absence of observation, ...

Holy fucking shit I am glad I stumbled into this thread, because that is hands down one of the most moronic things I have ever read. I give you my applause, Casper... that seriously made me snort abit in laughter.

[Jason78]

Please explain to me how and when matter has ever been observed existence in the absence of a mind? If it is being observed, it is because there is a mind observing it. It has been conclusively shown that matter ceases to exist in the absence of observation, in it's place we have only a wave equation which describes the probabilities of it existing in certain states when it is actually observed.

"Matter can clearly exist without a mind." this is a bald assertion in direct conflict with scientific evidence. "clearly" implies that it has been observed, but to observe postulates a mind to do the observing. NO matter has ever been observed existing, unless it was observed by a conscious mind.

The only mind you have ever "observed" as existing is your own. You have never "seen" or "observed" anyone else's mind, therefore all you know of mind is your own direct experience of it. Now ask the question: Have you ever experienced matter existing in the absence of a mind?

This kind of reminds me of when I was playing hide and seek with my nephew and he was trying to hide from me by closing his eyes on the basis that if he couldn't see me, I couldn't see him.  Things still exist whether you're looking at them or not.

[Contemporary Protestant]

If a tree falls in the forrest with nothing to observe it, does it make a sound?

Does a bear poop in the woods?

All (unfortunately) relevant questions 

[Icarus]

Yes.

1) How do you reconcile your belief in Materialism with The Delayed Choice Quantum Eraser Experiment?

2) While you are unable to doubt that you are conscious, you are able to doubt that material exists independent of your observation. Do you base your belief in Materialism on any empirical evidence or is this just an assumption you make based on Naive Realism?

3) Do you know what Naive Realism is?

4) Do you know what The Hard Problem of Consciousness is?

5) Have you ever seen consciousness? If not, how do you know it exists?

6) Why is believing in Materialism so important to you?

1) Why do you have problems using google
2) Why do you not understand the definitions google gives you about Pantheism, Panentheism etc...
3) Why do you get really mad when people point out that you have problems reading the definitions google provides
4) Why can't you use google to find papers like this on pain perception disorders of consciousness
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12152-011-9149-x

[Berati]

What you have labeled "material" is fundamentally nothing more than information interpreted into a representation that appears within your awareness. The only way you know "material" exists, and the only reason why you have ever experienced anything "material" is because of information that you have interpreted as such.

You failed to answer the question just as you have failed to accept the burden of proof.

Show us how you can store or transmit information without any material. I dare you.

[Berati]

Information and patterns of information, are what produce the reality you experience.

And that information is all produced from material.

Show me how you know a material object exists without first receiving and interpreting information

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You have proven my point. Show me how you receive or interpret information without any material... I double dare you.

[stromboli]

Wow, the stupid.....
Mind is a CONCEPT. Explain how a concept created itself. You said you believe in evolution. Then explain how mind/ intelligience existed before humans became self aware. You are right, mind is an illusion.

And you used the same double slit experiment for evidence. Nobody can be this dense.

You are a troll, because there is no other explanation for this idiocy.

[leo]

I will reveal the ultimate truth. Nothing exists without the Chuck Norris approval. Casparvov you exists because  Chuck Norris says so. When Chuck Norris start claiming you don't exists. That means you really don't exist.

[stromboli]

Right. Every solar eclipse is caused by Chuck Norris. That is Chuck norris staring at the sun, and the sun blinking.