Liberals loooooovvvee Islam

[Mister Agenda]

Critisizing Islam while critisizing Islamobopbia is only a contradiction to those whos narrow world view is shaped by Faux News.

Some people have trouble distinguishing defense of peaceful Muslims from bigotry or inaccurate accusations from criticism of the religion (s) itself. Of which there are hundreds of versions. Islam is scarcely less fractured than Christianity. The majority of Islamist terrorists are Salafi Sunnis, but we never make an effort to focus on countering Salafism. Heck, we supported it in Afghanistan in the eighties, even paying for Salafist schoolbooks.

We can't effectively oppose something if we refuse to understand and refuse to make distinctions between more and less dangerous factions. Our approach should be to encourage moderation and discourage extremism, but most of us don't even know who is who. We're not getting rid of over a billion people who follow a religion that scares us in our lifetimes. We're not going to deconvert them. We CAN practice intelligent mitigation.

[Solitary]

Nothing to say, it's all been said already at this topic.  =D>    Solitary

[LikelyToBreak]

Plu wrote in part:

Instead of what it actually is; defending the right of a minority of stupid people to believe stupid things without being unfairly ostracized by a majority of stupid people who believe mostly the exact same stupid things.

I would defend a Muslim's rights, knowing he/she would not do the same for me, but I'll be damned, if I am not going to expose their religion for the travesty it is.

And that goes for the Neo-Nazi's and New Black Panthers as well.  Would the liberals do like-wise is my question?

[Hydra009]

I would defend a Muslim's rights, knowing he/she would not do the same for me, but I'll be damned, if I am not going to expose their religion for the travesty it is.

And that goes for the Neo-Nazi's and New Black Panthers as well.  Would the liberals do like-wise is my question?

That question has already been answered.

[Plu]

Would the liberals do like-wise is my question?

Yeah, they would.

[Jorjor]

Yes I know, the majority of Muslims are of the moderate/peaceful variety. But to label Islam itself as a "religion of peace" is also horribly innaccurate. The people we consider "extremists" are simply following what the their book says.

Also I have read a few articles that try to make it clear to readers that what they are not criticizing people, but rather the ideology that leads people to do things no sane person would do. Yet you'll scroll through the comments and some people will still be crying "Islamaphobe!"

[Rushrange]

It seems like the conservatives got the right idea when it comes to Islam, when do Liberals address the problems with Islam?
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaqRVy9zEk

[josephpalazzo]

It seems like the conservatives got the right idea when it comes to Islam, when do Liberals address the problems with Islam?
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaqRVy9zEk

Summary: My christian god is better than their muslim god.

I don't think that many atheists will go out of their way to defend Islam. The conservatives should apply their rhetoric to their own religion, which is a mishmash of contradictions, falsehoods and sheer lunatic fantasies.

[Rushrange]

It seems like the conservatives got the right idea when it comes to Islam, when do Liberals address the problems with Islam?
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaqRVy9zEk

Summary: My christian god is better than their muslim god.

I don't think that many atheists will go out of their way to defend Islam. The conservatives should apply their rhetoric to their own religion, which is a mishmash of contradictions, falsehoods and sheer lunatic fantasies.

Well, have fun letting islamic religion take over USA then... BOOM!.

Edit: The problem is people are so neutral about it, that no one will say anything against it. Maybe fear etc... I mean, i have not heard much Liberals complaining about islam, more as to turning their backs too it. Not agreeing to Conservatives on everything, but this one, yes.

[josephpalazzo]

It seems like the conservatives got the right idea when it comes to Islam, when do Liberals address the problems with Islam?
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaqRVy9zEk

Summary: My christian god is better than their muslim god.

I don't think that many atheists will go out of their way to defend Islam. The conservatives should apply their rhetoric to their own religion, which is a mishmash of contradictions, falsehoods and sheer lunatic fantasies.

Well, have fun letting islamic religion take over USA then... BOOM!.

Edit: The problem is people are so neutral about it, that no one will say anything against it. Maybe fear etc... I mean, i have not heard much Liberals complaining about islam, more as to turning their backs too it. Not agreeing to Conservatives on everything, but this one, yes.

I think you're making the mistake of not seeing the difference between attacking an ideology and attacking a certain people of a minority.

I'm all in favor of attacking both christianity and Islam as both doctrines are based on falsehoods. But I'm not prepared to join christians in attacking muslims who constitute a minority in the US. Muslims have the same rights as christians to live in this country, and like everyone, must obey our laws. If not, then just like everybody they should be prosecuted.

[Rushrange]

I think you're making the mistake of not seeing the difference between attacking an ideology and attacking a certain people of a minority.

I'm all in favor of attacking both christianity and Islam as both doctrines are based on falsehoods. But I'm not prepared to join christians in attacking muslims who constitute a minority in the US. Muslims have the same rights as christians to live in this country, and like everyone, must obey our laws. If not, then just like everybody they should be prosecuted.

Well, if they are populated enough, let's say, becomes a majority in a country. Then what about jihad attacks?
I am just saying, Islam, everywhere they go doesn't work in a democratic society because they take their religion too seriously. And won't accept anything other than "Sharia Law", which to them is God's law.

Also, they are told to decieve the unbeliever aslong as it helps Islam, which is basically us. So aslong as someone are willingly supporting, or helping Islam, then yes, they will say yes.

Edit: Also, why is it easier to make fun of Christianity than Islam. Answer: Christians won't kill you for it. Islam on the other hands goes on a riot. Just look at britain when it comes to Islam. It's really bad.
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl8BYizcTf4

[Mister Agenda]

Yes I know, the majority of Muslims are of the moderate/peaceful variety. But to label Islam itself as a "religion of peace" is also horribly innaccurate. The people we consider "extremists" are simply following what the their book says.

Since GWB, pretty much the only people I hear referring to Islam as a religion of peace are the people saying it isn't one. As in, I never hear anyone else calling it a religion of peace. I'm sure some people do, but the idea that everyone is calling it a religion of peace so the brave few have to fight the rising tide to make sure we don't forget that not all Muslims are peaceful seems a bit silly to me.

Also I have read a few articles that try to make it clear to readers that what they are not criticizing people, but rather the ideology that leads people to do things no sane person would do. Yet you'll scroll through the comments and some people will still be crying "Islamaphobe!"

I'm sure there are people who cry 'Islamophobe' when it doesn't apply, just as there are people who cry 'racist' when it doesn't apply.

[Mister Agenda]

It seems like the conservatives got the right idea when it comes to Islam, when do Liberals address the problems with Islam?
//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCaqRVy9zEk

Summary: My christian god is better than their muslim god.

I don't think that many atheists will go out of their way to defend Islam. The conservatives should apply their rhetoric to their own religion, which is a mishmash of contradictions, falsehoods and sheer lunatic fantasies.

Well, have fun letting islamic religion take over USA then... BOOM!.

Edit: The problem is people are so neutral about it, that no one will say anything against it. Maybe fear etc... I mean, i have not heard much Liberals complaining about islam, more as to turning their backs too it. Not agreeing to Conservatives on everything, but this one, yes.

The problem is that some people are so paranoid and bigoted about Islam that they go off the deep end with ridiculous doom prophecies and people who see a lot wrong with Islam but are honest and sane have to point out that no, in a country that borders no majority Muslim nation, has a current Muslim population of less than 2%, is the world's most powerful assimilation machine, has a bordering nation that is 90% Catholic and ready to send millions over as soon as we want to let them in, and is a constitutional democratic republic; Islam is not going to take over. And having to counter people who think Islam is going to overcome American civilization does detract from legitimate criticism of Islam...but the paranoids cry 'you're soft on Islam!' if you don't think splattering American mosques with pig's blood is a fine idea.

[Rushrange]

The problem is that some people are so paranoid and bigoted about Islam that they go off the deep end with ridiculous doom prophecies and people who see a lot wrong with Islam but are honest and sane have to point out that no, in a country that borders no majority Muslim nation, has a current Muslim population of less than 2%, is the world's most powerful assimilation machine, has a bordering nation that is 90% Catholic and ready to send millions over as soon as we want to let them in, and is a constitutional democratic republic; Islam is not going to take over. And having to counter people who think Islam is going to overcome American civilization does detract from legitimate criticism of Islam...but the paranoids cry 'you're soft on Islam!' if you don't think splattering American mosques with pig's blood is a fine idea.

Well it seems to work out perfectly in UK. Just let them get higher birth rate and convert gulliable people who got the loose term of "Religion of Peace", and there you go.

[josephpalazzo]

I think you're making the mistake of not seeing the difference between attacking an ideology and attacking a certain people of a minority.

I'm all in favor of attacking both christianity and Islam as both doctrines are based on falsehoods. But I'm not prepared to join christians in attacking muslims who constitute a minority in the US. Muslims have the same rights as christians to live in this country, and like everyone, must obey our laws. If not, then just like everybody they should be prosecuted.

Well, if they are populated enough, let's say, becomes a majority in a country. Then what about jihad attacks?
I am just saying, Islam, everywhere they go doesn't work in a democratic society because they take their religion too seriously. And won't accept anything other than "Sharia Law", which to them is God's law.

Also, they are told to decieve the unbeliever aslong as it helps Islam, which is basically us. So aslong as someone are willingly supporting, or helping Islam, then yes, they will say yes.

You're just speculating on something that might never happen. You can't condemn 100 people because one or two among them could act out. We have our own terrorists -- anyone recall Timothy McVeigh? -- and we didn't go on persecuting all those who have similar views. Chances are if muslims get to live a successful life, they won't succomb to radicalization, which btw, can happen to any group of people if they are constantly held in ignorance and poverty.