Liberals loooooovvvee Islam

[Jorjor]

I can't be the only one annoyed by this. As a liberal myself, I'm of at a loss as to why liberals(particularly liberal theists) are so quick to jump to the defense of islam. Especially considering islam is the farthest thing from "liberal"(anti-women, anti-gay, anti-free speech, anti-tolerance for non-muslims)

We love to bash on Christianity, as we should be doing, don't get me wrong.  Yet, no one can criticize islam without being labeled an "islamaphobic" bigot  :roll:  Why??

[FrankDK]

I was unaware that liberals did so, but then, I'm unaware of lots of things.

For the reasons you gave, and others, I think Islam is a pox on humanity.  They certainly wouldn't get a pass from me on anything.

Frank

[Colanth]

Claiming that being Muslim is being a terrorist is Islamaphobia.  Claiming that Islam, AS IT'S PRACTICED, is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-free speech, is just the truth.  (Religions, all religions, tend to be anti-free speech and anti-anything-but-them.  A religion that's tolerant of other religions, without being the only force around, is quickly extinct.)

[LikelyToBreak]

Looking at the question from the outside, it seems to be a case of follow the leader.  Liberals, IMHO, seem to be more willing to take up the talk of their leaders, then do conservatives and independents.  I also think they are more likely to get their information from liberal sources which also preach tolerance, except for those labeled intolerant or Republicans.  I think they might be after the Islamic vote too.

Being an independent and having tried to get my information from various sources, Islam scares the hell out of me.  For the reasons Jorjor listed and more.  And I don't care if you label me as being an Islamaphobic.  Because that is exactly what I am.  I'm scared of lions, tigers, and bears too.  All of them are capable and even likely to kill me if given the chance to do so.  The fact that some are tame and wouldn't hurt anyone, doesn't mean I shouldn't have a healthy fear of them.  Just like Roy Siegfried found out the hard way.

[Sargon The Grape]

Claiming that being Muslim is being a terrorist is Islamaphobia.  Claiming that Islam, AS IT'S PRACTICED, is anti-woman, anti-gay, anti-free speech, is just the truth.  (Religions, all religions, tend to be anti-free speech and anti-anything-but-them.  A religion that's tolerant of other religions, without being the only force around, is quickly extinct.)

Or in other words: There's plenty to criticize without making shit up.

[GSOgymrat]

I consider myself liberal and I don't love Islam. They have a terrible record in terms of human rights, even worse than Christians.

[Shiranu]

Nothing wrong with criticizing Islam, just as there is nothing wrong with criticizing Christianity.

It's when you start implying that 1% of the population is, any day now, going to completely over-power and dominate our culture or are afraid that any Muslim is a potential threat just waiting to blow up is where it starts to become an irrational fear, I.E. Islamophobia.

Being an independent and having tried to get my information from various sources, Islam scares the hell out of me. For the reasons Jorjor listed and more. And I don't care if you label me as being an Islamaphobic. Because that is exactly what I am. I'm scared of lions, tigers, and bears too. All of them are capable and even likely to kill me if given the chance to do so.

And all blacks are potential gangsters who can "pop a cap in yo ass!". And all white people are potential corporate assholes who want to steal your money and invest it in stupid stocks. And all Asians want to steal your dog and eat it.

EVERYONE is capable of killing you, and it is FAR more likely that a white person will assault you than a brown. So if you are an Islamophobe I hope you are an Ultra-Cacausianphobe, because those white people are the biggest threat to your health unless you decide to move to Pakistan.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

Some words you never hear:
Every other religion is better than mine.

There's a reason for that.

[LikelyToBreak]

Oh good! We found our liberal.  =D>

Just for the record, blacks at least the none Muslim ones, don't have books and religious leaders telling them to "pop a cap in my ass."  And I'm the only white in my house, which makes me feel safe at home.

As far as the corporate thieves, they all ready stole most of my hard earnings, so they don't scare me much anymore.  Don't have a dog anymore, so I'm not concerned with anyone eating it.

Muslims have said in their holy book and on TV that they want the entire world to be under Sharia law.  And there are 1.62 billion  Islamic adherents, making up over 23% of the world population.  While the radicals only make up about 10% of Muslims in the world, there are more than 10 Muslims living near me.  While most of them are just rude, I figure at least one of them wants me dead.  Not because of anything I did to him, but simply because I am not a Muslim.

I am not advocating killing Muslims, like some are advocating killing me, but I am sure not going to turn my back to one.

[AllPurposeAtheist]

It's probably a good idea to not turn your back on any religion..

[RaymanZ]

Obama seems to support the rebels in Syria (The Muslim Brotherhood) {Although i don't consider him to be a liberal}
Overthrowing with another evil force sounds bad, and is just a bad idea in my opinion. No to Islam in my opinion.
I rest my case.
Edit:
//http://www.politico.com/politico44/2013/08/white-house-peeved-at-pentagon-leaks-171520.html

[LikelyToBreak]

AllPurposeAtheist wrote:

It's probably a good idea to not turn your back on any religion..

That's true.  Especially if your a young boy.

[Shiranu]

Oh good! We found our liberal.

Nope, I just don't think labeling that everyone of a different culture than me is by default most likely a murderer and I must live in fear of them a valid opinion.

And it is irrelevant as to why they commit the crimes, the fact of the matter is you are far more likely to be killed by a Hispanic, white or black than you are a Muslim. Therefor, if you are being honest, then you have just as much, if not more, to fear those groups than Muslims.

Again, I have nothing against criticizing Islam. I have nothing against criticizing Muslims who push their faith or are violent about it. But assuming that, because (going by your number) 1/10th of a population are terrorists (99.99% of them in places like Pakistan, Iraq, Lebanon, etc)... that therefor all Muslims should be treated as potential threats?

Sorry, that isn't being liberal to realize how stupid that is, that is understanding mathematics and not assuming that the "in-style" group to distrust is out to get me.



Agreed, since there is no such thing as a race.

[Cocoa Beware]

I resent when people are singled out as a racist by ignoramuses who apparently don't even understand what that word really means.

If you think Muslims are a race then you are not very smart.

[LikelyToBreak]

Shiranu wrote:

Nope, I just don't think labeling that everyone of a different culture than me is by default most likely a murderer and I must live in fear of them a valid opinion.

That ring's of a good honest answer.  We can't ask for more.  Thank you, Shiranu  =D>

But, I don't think the Muslims see it the same way.  I used to think the Muslims were no big deal, they had their religion and the crusades were long over.  Then I started studying Islam and learned what many Muslims believe.  They think a warlord was the last greatest prophet of God, who is Allah, who is manifested in a rock in Mecca.  The warlord said many nice things, then changed his mind.  It is the goal of Islam to convert, subjugate or kill all infidels.  

How can I tolerate a belief which wants me dead?  There are as bad or worse then the Republitards.